These days saying "Union invaded Poland" in public gets you killed in Russia.
Yes, just referring to an official archive document, and its fact of existence (despite its glancing mention being part of history textbooks just a decade ago)
I'm not being provocative here. Saying that "genocide of Jews during ww2 is an established fact," for example, does not feel to be an insult or provocation to any level headed person.
Why are you accommodating such people?
Comparing your comment to something that everybody knows is misleading in this case. You made a provocative claim on an inflammatory topic (which all nationalistic topics are, and unfortunately getting more so). That's flamebait by default, so to follow the HN guidelines, you need to pack your comment with flame retardants like substantive information and neutral language.
I too used to hitchhike in the Balkans and usually tried to avoid politics or sensitive subjects but I guess I wouldn't be able to resist myself in this case. Probably ending up thrown out by the driver considering current Poland-Russia relations. Sad how people in Central/Eastern Europe are still traumatized by the consequences of WW2.
2. Going to jail in Russia is a 1 in 10 to 1 in 5 chance to die from terrible conditions or prison violence. And that is of course will be more aggravated if you are a political prisoner.
3. A list of people who went missing going into thousands now
Can you please stop with this bullshit, really? We even have this is school textbooks: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6jSNt06CW1HQlM5ekpUWDVfdUU...
For non-Russian speakers I can confirm that on page 203 of the above-referenced history book for the 9th grade it says that World War II started on Sep. 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland. It also contains plenty of info on Soviet invasion of Poland, albeit in such context as “it was necessary to create a buffer zone” etc - but it’s there. The Soviet-German pact is also referenced and so is the secret addendum, and it specifically states that Germany and USSR have divided Poland and other countries of Eastern Europe into “spheres of influence”. Which is pretty much what the actual newly declassified document says.
The biggest omission being the use of word invasion or statements amounting to Soviet-German conspiracy to start the war against these countries.
> specifically states that Germany and USSR have divided Poland and other countries of Eastern Europe into “spheres of influence”
You have to admit, dividing "spheres of influence" sounds way more benign in comparison to "joint invasion plan"
This surprised me. What's the officially sanctioned version of history?
>Польский поход Красной армии (17—29 сентября 1939 года), в советской историографии освободительный поход РККА, в современной историографии также советское вторжение в Польшу
Polish march of the Red Army, liberating march of The Workers' and Peasants' Red Army in soviet historiography, also Soviet invasion of Poland in modern historiography.
For some reason some people over here are very eager to 'prove' some weird fantasies.
I even bothered to find a scanned copy of a moder school text book. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6jSNt06CW1HQlM5ekpUWDVfdUU...
The polish invasion is there. Not awful lot about it, just that Hitler and Stalin desided this is how it shall be and that sovieat army entered Poland on 17th.
To hear the official version, you have to ask first, and that either gets you a jail term for "denial of historical facts (of course, without stating which facts)" or you will just go missing to be found in separate body parts a month later.
The Russian government cares about one thing - perpetuating the Russian government. Nobody in it cares about 80-year-old history.
My communist ancestors would call this "getting swallowed by the night"
I would be curious what your sources are, if any.
Just because there is limited freedom of the press in Russia doesn’t mean it’s a Stalinist dystopia.
"Union invaded Poland"
in public gets you killed
Russia isn't even the Soviet Union, and the leader at the time was Georgian.
WWII, its dates and events were all in history textbooks in Russla when I was in school (1995-2005) and they are stil there.
We do not teach about The Great Patriotic War instead of the WWII. For TGPW is the greatest part of the WWII, for obvious reasons, that is why it is tought in more deapth and has more hours than other parts combined.
In schools it was taught that …
Now, nothing, or at least in newer textbooks. USSR just "did nothing for the whole of nineteen thirties"
A more liberal Brandt's textbook, the one posted above, been heavily edited year after year to its current state where the pact, invasion of Poland, and whole of thirties was reduced to just few pages.