Comment by AndyKelley | Hacker News Reader

Comment by AndyKelley | Hacker News Reader

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Dan, it seems like you're referring to me, and I don't appreciate this food fight characterization. In society it is the duty of everyone to call out scam artists to protect each other and that's exactly what happened in that thread. At the time, it was a scam, since the author was collecting money from people on false claims. Respect is not only contained in tone of voice, but also in how honest one chooses to be.

However, since then, two things have happened:

1. The source has been provided.

2. The website has been updated to note which features are unavailable.

So, this is now my position which I have stated elsewhere:

> Now that the website has the "WIP" label to communicate which features are not available, and the source is released, I no longer consider this project to be fraudulent. The information is available to everyone, and people who donate on Patreon are making an informed choice.

> I'm genuinely glad it turned out this way. Good luck on your endeavor, and welcome to the programming languages club.

Not only you! and fair enough, I've removed food from my comment above. The previous thread was still an unseemly flamewar, with gratuitous drama of the sort we definitely don't need on HN. It caused a universal WTF among the HN staff. I gather that in some cases this drama was being imported from internet rumbles elsewhere. Those need to stay elsewhere, and people here need to follow HN's guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Calling someone else a scam artist and their work a fraud is an example of this and is obviously not respectful, however honest it may be. Moreover, if you begin by turning the knobs up to 11 ("This guy is a complete fraud"), there's nowhere else left to go, which explains why the discussion after that was so lousy—not that it excuses any other commenter.

I've detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20251393 and marked it off-topic.

Edit: in case it isn't clear, I'm not taking a side about the technical issues. I haven't looked closely at them (or at all), and these points about the site guidelines hold even if one side was 100% right and the other 100% wrong, or vice versa.

Andy - We don't know each other but I follow your works and have a lot of respect for it. Please don't let yourself get distracted and brought down into insults on others, even if it MAY be true. There's literally nothing to be gained, and a lot to lose in doing so.

You called me a scam artist because in your opinion the compiler depends on glfw and freetype :)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20230351

And then you proceeded spamming this on Twitter, GitHub, Hacker News, and Reddit. Maybe even more platforms I didn't notice.

https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/292#issuecomment-504281727

Thank you for correcting that and the other 4 false claims I noted in that HN comment. I'm glad you are no longer deceiving people about what V can do.

By the way, shelling out to curl and mkdir also counts as dependencies.

> that and the other 4 false claims I noted

> I'm glad you are no longer deceiving people

This is a passive-aggressive way of continuing the same flamewar. Please stop.

I think you are being a bit more than generous here.

What this revealed to be is a bit more than a university Computer Languages assignment.

A toy project if you want.

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