> They turn racism from something useless into something they can use. This is what is truly 'deplorable'.
No, I'm pretty sure it's putting kids into concentration camps that's deplorable. Nice try though.
No, I'm pretty sure it's putting kids into concentration camps that's deplorable. Nice try though.
> "Concentration camps are considered by experts as 'the mass detention of civilians without trial.'
Even without photos, we know there is mass detention of civilians without trial.
Do you deny that?
What term do you want to use? From the same link:
> We don't say 'prisons' because prisons are a part of the formal legal system," Lester Andrist, a sociologist who has studied indefinite detention, tweeted.
Or would you prefer "internment camp", like we used for Japanese Americans? From the same link:
> "I know what concentration camps are. I was inside two of them, in America. And yes, we are operating such camps again," the Takei tweeted. The Takei family was interned in Arkansas and California in the 1940s.
Or perhaps you want to reserve 'concentration camp' only for the Nazi death camps? From the same link:
> Federico Finchelstein, a historian at the New York-based New School, agreed that the progressive congresswoman is right to call the ICE facilities concentration camps.
> "As [a] historian of fascism & [the] Holocaust, I would also call these centers concentration camps," Finchelstein tweeted. "As a Jewish person who lost family in [the] Holocaust, I regret that some Republicans use memory of the Holocaust to defend racist policies of Trumpism."
From https://beta.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/06/20/concentrat... :
> A 1998 Ellis Island exhibit drew outcry from the Jewish community and others after the Japanese American National Museum titled it, “America’s Concentration Camps: Remembering the Japanese American Experience.” To the museum’s curators — and to many historians and leading Japanese American organizations today — “internment” or “relocation camps” were euphemisms for the reality of what Japanese Americans endured. President Franklin D. Roosevelt and Supreme Court justices, the museum noted, had both referred to the Japanese American camps as concentration camps.
> ... Ultimately, Jewish and Japanese American groups held meetings to reach an understanding, Schiffrin reported. The exhibit’s title stayed, but with one long footnote on the flier, making clear that it was not an attempt to directly compare the Japanese-American camps to Nazi camps.
Big difference. Concentration camps were murder centers. Internment camps were not.
See http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/g_l/haiku/camps.h... as an example of how in the 1990s there was already the complaint that it "seems strange that we are still debating the use of terms describing this event" when it was well-established that the Japanese were indeed in concentration camps in all but official name.
It also gives quotes, like Truman in 1961 saying "They were concentration camps. They called it relocation but they put them in concentration camps, and I was against it. We were in a period of emergency, but it was still the wrong thing to do."
The term "concentration camp" was also used in the Spanish-American and Boer Wars, for something other than "murder centers".
All evidence I've seen says that calling these facilities something other than "concentration camp" is a euphemism to hide the atrocities that we are committing YET AGAIN.
The kids are in a detention facility. Donald Trump didn't personally decide "fuck Mexicans" and rip kids out of their loving homes. He's protecting children from the people in an adult detention facility who have actively broken the law and took their families with them in the process.
Calling Trump a Nazi and calling these places concentration camps is a massive slap in the face to the millions of people who actually died from the war.
No, what's obscene is what we're doing to children. THAT is obscene.
Oh, wait, no, that's what their traffickers from Honduras and elsewhere are doing as they claim that those children belong to them when they reach the border so that they can receive higher priority treatment, whereupon they enter and recycle the kids back across the border.
So you're using the fact that these kids are the victims of human trafficking, to make them suffer even more? Do you even listen to what you're saying?
They're getting $775 per person per day. People are trying to donate goods and are getting turned back. It's not a resource issue.
> which is saying something coming from me considering how generally paranoid I am personally
You may be paranoid, but your paranoia is pointing in the wrong direction.
> There's no basis for it. None whatsoever.
We're in the middle of a discussion about thousands of children being abused and mistreated in government facilities. That right there is a basis for comparison. If you can't even see that, then you're willfully closing your eyes.
Would you compare the ICE holding centers to slave plantations as well? (Which is worse in your eyes-- a concentration camp or a slave plantation?)
Do tell, please.
"The Holocaust, you’re talking about a tragedy of biblical proportion and one of the greatest scourges in history. Six million Jews died during the Holocaust; there is no comparison to the Holocaust, period”
"To draw an equivalency suggests one does not understand what happened in the Holocaust."
These from NY Gov (Democrat) Andrew Cuomo