But at least they're not selling their surveillance data about you you never willingly agreed to provide like google do, right? They're storing it and keeping it and can sell it as soon as it suits them, but they're not right now as far as we know. So we're paying them not to be the product just like we pay them for quality hardware and good service. The fact we're paying them for it doesn't count for much. iPod customers found out how paying apple not to be the product works when sync deleted their collection. No not me, not you, but people we know who aren't stupid had it happen, you remember, loads of people found out they were product like that. Just buy everything from apple, then when it doesn't work, pay more, and more and more because user friendly and "microsoft are actually worse" and google as though that would be a defence if it were true and maybe it is. ugh.