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Trump was elected because of Clinton. If the Democrats could field a candidate that wasn’t hell bent on gun banning, they’d probably win. As it stands, Trump will win again. The “hell yes, were are coming for your guns” probably cost them the election.

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It wasn't just gun banning. Hillary was a terrible candidate. She didn't stand for much except her being elected. She wasn't likeable. She called half the country "deplorables" - the exact voters that we're talking about. She exuded this air of entitlement. And she had some scandals. (Yeah, I know, Trump wasn't exactly free from scandals either. But he didn't have the rest of the baggage.)

If the Republicans could come up with an effective plan for ending the regular mass shootings, perhaps some sort of compromise? Then there would be much less momentum for gun control or gun bans.

What if mass shootings are tied to the destruction of the white working class? You have an easy fix for that?

Are they? Some, like the Vegas shooter with his arsenal, appear to have been well off.

We already have a "fix" for domestic terrorists - arrest them or shoot them.

This hasn't stemmed the tide of mass shootings. Almost all of them are shot dead.

Doesn't seem like a very good fix when shootings keep happening.

When has police running around shooting people ever fixed anything

That’s what third world countries do, govern by violence first, instead of trying to solve underlying problems

Mass shooters do not have a legitimate place in any first world system of governance. Every country treats domestic terrorists the same way, regardless of whatever other solutions for the underlying problems might be attempted.

Ofcourse they should be felt with swiftly, but when it becomes a pattern you have to look at underlying causes

I don't see anyone arguing for letting mass shooters roam free.

The issue is: how to prevent those shootings in the first place. If you kill or jail them for life it doesn't exactly prevent the shooting they did, does it?

I would agree. The Democrats could easily have won in 2016 if they had actually tried to win. Same may happen in 2020. Instead of coming up with a vision for the country they are wasting their time and energy in impeachment. Just get f...ing elected! Actually have a plan!

Democrats won in fact. Having 2,8 million more votes than the second candidate would qualify as winning in most definitions of democracy. The problem is that the system does not work like this.

They didn’t win. Maybe they should have read the rules...

You might want to go tell Justin Trudeau that.

Oh yeah, it’s not an issue if the candidate we like won.

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