That sounds circumstantial at best and in no way definitive proof.
> Dating Apps are part of the reason that birth rates are generally dropping in first world countries
That definitely requires some study before being considered true.
> Women while away their younger years in careers and chasing after unrealistic men before settling at an older age and maybe having 1 kid.
I'm not sure how career factors into all of this; I don't want to strawman you, but your phrasing implies that you dissaprove of the trend. Then, is the implication of what you say that women should focus less on career and dating when they're young and instead focus on getting married early and having multiple children?
Separately, how is only having one child necessarily a bad thing?
Ask your female friends (if you have any) about this. You might be surprised.
> Elite men can get dozens of sex partners.
Why so low? I have a few friends who have had more than 100 partners.
> Average or subpar men are essentially invisible in the dating market as evidenced by declining rates of sex by most people.
Nothing to do with dating apps. 70% of the adult US population is obese or overweight. Those people have a very hard time finding partners, and obese men have associated coronary issues that can make even maintaining an erection difficult.
> Dating Apps are part of the reason that birth rates are generally dropping in first world countries
About time; if only the population crisis could be solved by dating apps! World population in 1969 was 3.6 billion, today it is 7.7 billion. We need any and all measures to bring down population levels.
I had a roommate who confessed to me he had never been in a relationship. He was 30, average looking or around that and it turned out he was rejecting any average looking girls while constantly being rejected by very good looking girls, way out of his league. He had no experience, seemed desperate etc but would not lower the bar at all.. I was getting the feeling that he was self sabotaging somehow. Not sure how it eventually turned out, we lost touch a while ago, but I surely hope he stoped obsessing over looks and just got into some relationship and took it from there.
Personality is underrated these days. I found myself attracted quite often to people’s personalities such that I am totally blinded to what they looke like. And personality can be worked on throughout ones lifetime, looks are pretty much genetics. And working out has at some point of diminishing returns. I’ve seen guys who try to better looks by building some muscle but often don’t know when to stop.
I've fallen for women who haven't fallen for me and vice versa . I don't feel like I'm looking for too attractive. In fact too attractive, as in model looking, is generally a turn off as I'm prejudice to believe they'll be high maintenance.
Rather I keep looking for a "soul mate" type and as an atheist science oriented geek, at least in my circles, it's hard to find my female counterpart. It's a selfish reason I wish there were more women in tech. Every job I've had has been 90-98% men. In general the women I meet are either spiritual/superstitious (believe in things I can't support as a partner) or they just have zero common interests. I'm not looking for a clone but I'd love to meet someone who can share a few passions more than just generic "travel" and "food" but they are few and far between.
I'm sure I am "self sabotaging" but "I found myself attracted quite often to people’s personalities such that I am totally blinded to what they look like" matches me to some extent. I can't say I'm totally blinded but it's definitely a huge attractive attribute, more than looks.
* I think whatever brand of red-pilled you want to call me is the polar opposite of what an “incel” would be defined as. Most “incels”, as far as I can tell, take bad relationship advice about being yourself to heart and don’t seek out successful men who give good advice on lifting and other positive life improvements to really succeed. They fail to get success and feel bitter precisely because they don’t have good male role models who are willing to talk in an unfiltered way to them. To me, the lack of male role models is key.
* Despite not being an “incel” and disagreeing with them on many topics, I feel an immense amount of sympathy for people with this label. Isn’t it sad that there are a lot of men out there, many of whom are smart and productive members of society, who cannot find a happy and fulfilling relationship? We see mainstream society basically wanting to completely shun the unloved. Instead of joining the 2 minutes of hate, why not offer a path to success for them, or at least some sympathy to the unloved? If you’re an “incel”, how do you think you feel when you see stuff like this? https://twitter.com/ekp/status/991817194987114496?lang=en
> Approach patterns have changed. Men approaching women in real life is now rarer than it was in favor of online meeting through Apps.
Absolutely, because often women don't like being approached in person and find it creepy. Bars and clubs still absolutely have dating approaches. Also, we've gotten past the point that men are expected to make the first move in heterosexual encounters, and that's only going to become more true.
> Many relationships now happen based on online dating. In a sense, a series of algorithms are already dictating human reproduction.
Sure, but there's also a ton of people that you interact with on these apps to even express interest. I don't think the apps are actually having that much of an effect on who people pick, they are just making finding people you're interested easier.
> Before Apps, people mainly shacked up with equivalent looking people at a fairly young age, but today women have access to the best men in town they’d otherwise never have a chance to meet.
Why is that not a good thing? It also goes the other ways, I'm not sure why you're focusing on women looking for men
> The dating marketplace is pretty skewed with roughly 80% of women chasing after 20% of men.
I think the real issue is the statistical quality of the genders. We have a 50/50 balance, so there's no reason it should be skewed one directionally like this naturally. I think that a lot of shitty behavior masculinity has historically been is getting called out now, and toxic masculinity is only just getting called out. The answer to being in that 20% (and expanding it as a result) is not something outside of people's control, it's just hard. Toxic masculinity negatively affects all genders.
> Elite men can get dozens of sex partners. Women can usually get sex, but not commitment from lots of men they like.
This just feels like stereotyping without reason.
> Average or subpar men are essentially invisible in the dating market as evidenced by declining rates of sex by most people. This causes a lot of problems in society as many men drop out and exist as gamers in a dull existence or turn to drugs due to lack of ability to find a connection.
This feels far more related to ethical/political/societal beliefs than apps. The only thing apps are doing is making the process more efficient. Looks are not everything, personality and interests have not gone away from dating because of apps. While everyone loves to talk about Tinder, there are far more than aren't hookup focused than are.
> Alpha males are enjoying life shacking up with the women all chasing after them. Women while away their younger years in careers and chasing after unrealistic men before settling at an older age and maybe having 1 kid.
People have been having children later and less long before apps, I again don't see how this follows. Ironically this is caused by a cultural shift and being reflected in technology, not the other way around.
> As far as cultural impacts go, can’t go bigger than the consequences to reproduction changing.
The only thing that happened was that finding a more ideal mate become more efficient, ever so slightly, and you have a larger natural pool. Everything else is cultural here.