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This is the absolute reason why Dart, Flutter and Fuchsia exist. You can now imagine that if a loss from Google in this lawsuit were to happen, it would mean royalties in the billions for Oracle which Google won't pay for, or at least for a long time for Android.

So an option is to migrate the Android ecosystem onto Fuchsia to rid of the Oracle royalty fees and own the ecosystem without anyone else looking to sue you for the tech you're using if you created it.

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> So an option is to migrate the Android ecosystem onto Fuchsia to rid of the Oracle royalty fees

The better option is the one Google already did ages ago, switch to OpenJDK: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/android-n-switch...

Which is GPLv2 w/ classpath exception straight from Oracle. No work for app devs and no work for OEMs.

How is Fuchsia relevant to Java API Oracle is chasing them for? Google's back up plan is Kotlin anyway; they can push new version of API that completely severs backward compatibility while providing some library for "legacy app API translation".

> while providing some library for "legacy app API translation".

Can they, after an Oracle victory?

I thought that Kotlin required the JVM to run?

JVM is fair game; this case is about Java SDK interface.

There are compilers to native.

But this lawsuit isn't about the JVM. Its about the java sdk.

Ironically, Samsung invested in Tizen development for a minute so they would have their own backup in case Android was no longer viable.

And it's also amusing that the Dart-skeptics now see there is at least one legal reason to justify Google's continued development of Flutter.

Tizen is a horrible mess, nobody wants to develop in that ecosystem. Samsung might dream about it being their backup, but their API is brain-damaging.

I've read multiple articles about that, yeah. Their support in their own platform was clearly half-hearted and short-lived. But my point is that that they seemed to have the same motivations for investing in Tizen as Google seemingly does in Fuchsia.

Tizen is still a thing though, just not in the smart phone space.

Tons of smart TVs are shipped with Tizen. Last smart watch that uses Tizen is shipped in 2018.

> Last smart watch that uses Tizen is shipped in 2018.

2020

How exactly does Fuchsia solve anything? It doesn't expose an Android ABI compliant user space, so none of the Android apps work out of the box

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