I truly hate that line of logic.
Then what are people supposed to say when they're not interested in doing it after being asked? That they are interested?
"Sure sign they have no intentions of even attempting for office since they said they wanted to."
"Haha, but no way. I might be able to run Disney for 20 years, but I could never run a country. I'd have to be an arrogant fool to think my business experience converts to governance experience, and I'd definitely screw it up. Besides, I would make an awful politician, I..." etc etc etc.
Don't politely deny it, torpedo the idea.
If drafted, I will not run; if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve.
And then proceeded to upset the spoils system of appointing political donors and supporters to jobs, and got shot for his trouble.
Surprisingly fascinating: https://www.amazon.com/Destiny-Republic-Madness-Medicine-Pre...
What you're missing is that the denial indicates it's a topic of consideration.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-05/our-hi...
(Although I can't really imagine Iger would be running for president this election cycle; I think we're well past too many filing deadlines to get on enough party ballots to have even a mathematical possibility of being nominated, and I doubt he's quixotic enough to run as an independent.)
The prospect of a socialist president horrifies folks like Bloomberg.
Let people vote for whoever they want. Whoever you have in mind to replace him will probably not live up to expectations.
Beside, I think he has a shot. Usually when votes goes hard right they usually go hard left next time.
What does this mean? Is there someone suggesting that people can't vote for whoever they want?
After lots of complaints, the process was completely redesigned in 2018. Now, the candidate to get the majority of delegates becomes the party nomination.
Since Bernie has been clear as an actual candidate with potential to win, some democratic members have been caught speaking about returning to the superdelegate system [0].
Some believe Bloomberg's surprise entry in the race are an attempt to "crack the vote", that is, ensure that enough people vote for Bloomberg that Sanders does not win the majority, in which case the superdelegates are the tiebreakers to pick the nomination. This theory is very loosely backed up somewhat by an overheard phone call with John Kerry advocating him to join the race, to stop Sanders. [1]
[0] https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/31/dnc-superdelegates-... [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/john-kerry-ov...
How can we know that? Because that's precisely what happened in 2008. Hillary had tons of superdelegates lined up behind her when the primaries started, but then Obama got more votes, so the superdelegates switched.
If you recall the last election, almost every poll said Clinton would beat Trump.
I wouldn't put much faith in the polls, especially this far out.
And the poll you're likely referring to[2] shows him with a double-digit lead. Now, I'd hope it'd be pretty obvious what kind of bias MSNBC has by running a poll that asks questions such that you get a result like:
> while also finding that the most unpopular candidate qualities in a general election are being a socialist, being older than 75 years of age and having a heart attack in the past year
Oh gee, I wonder what possible candidate they might be referring to (in an article which is titled "Sanders opens double digit national lead"). I don't know what the question in the poll was, but it should be fairly obvious how easily you could phrase the question to come up with that result.
If Bernie is so unpopular, why is he the only candidate (of any political party) in American history to win the popular vote in the first three primary states?
[1]: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/403248-poll-seventy-pe... [2]: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-news-wsj...
If you look into this closer, you realize the poll was garbage. If you ask a question in 2018 with no context in the form; "Would support or oppose 'a policy of Medicare for All'"? most respondents are going to think if you're asking if everyone should be allowed to have access to Medicare when you're 65.
When a poll asks about "a national health plan, sometimes called Medicare-for-all, in which all Americans would get their insurance from a single government plan," only 23% of Republicans were in favor of it. [1]
When you explain that this plan would not only replace private insurance we have today, but in fact make such insurance illegal, Republican support drops by ~50%.
[1] - https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jul/02/jess-mcint...
And if you phrase it as "are you in favour of a healthcare system where you are forced to pay for other people's healthcare, without any opt-out, the government decides if you get treatment, and price-fixing the cost of drugs resulting in reduced pharmaceutical profits thus threatening the economy" you would see support drop even lower. Now, you could argue that phrasing is technically accurate but it's clearly biased to get respondents to answer in a particular way.
The way you phrase questions in polls matters -- phrasing it as "making private healthcare illegal" is placing a bias in the question (if it was phrased as "giving everyone the same excellent standard of healthcare as provided by Medicare" it would also be a bias but in the opposite direction).
> most respondents are going to think if you're asking if everyone should be allowed to have access to Medicare when you're 65.
In 2018, a very large number of Americans understood what "Medicare For All" specifically referred to. Sanders had been campaigning on it for more than 3 years at that point (it was one of the major topics of debate in the 2015 Democratic primary), legislation had been drafted and so on. I don't know why someone would think "Medicare for All" would mean anything other than "Medicare for all [Americans]." The vast majority of Americans over 65 are already entitled to Medicare in the US (unless you only recently became a citizen or haven't paid Medicare taxes for the past 10 years, and don't have a disability).
So what? Why does that statistic mean anything in a highly fragmented contest? Bernie got 26% of the vote in Iowa, about the same in New Hampshire and just shy of 50% in Nevada. So in all three states more people voted against Bernie than for him.
Why does that statistic not mean something in a highly fragmented contest? The 1972 and 1976 Democratic primaries both started with 16 candidates; the 1996 Republican primaries had 12 and the 2000 Republican primaries had 13. Being the only candidate in 11 cycles to win the popular vote in the first three primaries/caucuses isn't an automatic ticket to the White House, no, but it's not nothing.
Assuming Sanders is even a close second in South Carolina, he's going to have tremendous momentum going into Super Tuesday, and historically it's unwise to write that off.
Canadian here, more of our elections nationwide are won with less than 50% of the vote than with more (last federal election had 124 candidates with >50%, of 338 seats).
Social democrats are staunch believers in liberal democratic polity and a capitalist-oriented economy, both of which are antithetical in _any_ socialist system, even democratic socialism.
American socialists will lie to you otherwise, or perhaps they just don't know.
Moreover, Bernie has half a century of history praising communism and kissing up to Marxist-Leninists whereas this softer, friendlier, more populist Bernie is less then a decade old and won't address his endorsements. I don't believe it for a second.
Instead of fearing or causing a panic over a label, consider concretely articulating your concerns with Sanders' (or any candidates) policies.
Almost all of this is completely antithetical to our federal system, not supported by any generally accepted interpretation of the Constitution.
Anybody on HN who requires that someone "articulate .. concerns" about these things is terribly uninformed about the historic nature of these types of initiatives. I doubt that anything I could write will affect their thinking.
As for Medicare and Social Security and all the other federal nonsense, yes those existing programs are problematic. Almost every federal program would be better off as a state or private program.
Saying he "wants to nationalize everything" with no further detail, is a logical fallacy: appeal to emotion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion
> As for Medicare and Social Security and all the other federal nonsense, yes those existing programs are problematic.
A lot of people don't plan for retirement. Do you think giving people in old age no money to survive is better than having a Social Security program?
Regarding Social Security and Medicare, the fact that those programs as constructed are not financially sound is well known and health insurance as well as public retirement plans don't have to be national programs. There is no reason that states couldn't fund those programs if they so choose. The advantage of having those programs at the state level is that it introduces competition. People can vote with their feet and move to states that provide a better mix of taxes/services.
Asking for facts and being replied to with the effect "Really?" is far from effective persuasion. Emotional appeals won't work. Facts and data will.
If Sanders' proposals amount to nationalizing as much economic activity as possible, you have a lack of appreciation for what is possible.
And here is a report about his statements over the years to nationalize various industries: https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics/kfile-bernie-nationa...
There doesn't seem to be any limiting principle to way that Sanders approaches public policy.