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Comment by curiousgal | Hacker News Reader

It is a win-win situation, the majority of those junior devs are from North Africa and they still make way more than they would have back home.

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The losers are the local people who get fewer opportunities as a result. Not saying it's good or bad, just putting it out there.

I'll take the hit and say it's bad. A great purpose of nation states is to enrich and protect the lives of those who are from those respective nations, often and usually at the cost of others. A bunch of non-governmental entities undermining the nation state is undeniably untenable -- both cannot thrive.

People, especially the rich, often pretend we don't live in nation states and that the global nation is here -- but it very much isn't. I think we ought to be afraid of what happens when nation states dissolve. The ultimate result doesn't seem to be unification but disunion.

I don't think we can say it's good or bad without context. Hiring skilled immigrants at a lower price might enable a company to compete for contracts with overseas companies with cheaper labor, thereby making the company, it's shareholders, and by extension the nation, money that it would have otherwise not have gotten.

I think the "populist vs. globalist" dichotomy as is often used in our political discourse today is far too reductive and not descriptive of reality, if not for society at large then definitely for HN.

With the “lose” being the US-based developers being paid less by virtue of working at HP instead of Microsoft.

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