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I don't like zoom either, but what exactly made them the HN punching bag of the month? Ad/surveillance giants like Google or FB are typically spoken of with notes of reverence and awe on here. Zoom gets lit-up for sending data to FB, but FB gets a pass? I don't know I just can't get into the mood. extinguishes torch in moat.

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> Ad/surveillance giants like Google or FB are typically spoken of with notes of reverence and awe on here.

Uh. Are we reading different websites? This is the most vocally anti-everything-FAANG community I've seen on the Internet, since about 2017 or so. Except Apple, mostly.

Netflix also seems to be acceptable.

Yeah, that's true, although we all know they're just in there so the acronym works.

I'll just chime in that Apple and Netflix the FAANG companies I dislike the most, for balance ;)

Microsoft too seems to be getting less hate than Google/Facebook.

EDIT: Ok MS is not FAANG.

And on the FB note, let's clear that up -- FB ships a mandatory phone-home analytics feature on their mobile SDKs used to enable the "sign in with facebook button". This sends your users' data over to their servers _even when_ those users do not use a Facebook social sign-on. Zoom removed that SDK within a day of finding out this was happening, yet it continues to be plastered around the web as if its an ongoing data collection; meanwhile, crickets at the fact that half the apps on our phones have this Facebook spyware.

Same answer as a week ago, I think: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22754135

lacker put it particularly nicely: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22814338

Being effectively forced to use a product with security and privacy issues because of network effects. Zoom is pushing all the buttons.

Google, Facebook and others get criticism for exactly the same reasons

The stock price.

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