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That argument loses steam when you find out the 1 in 400 got hit by a bus and the hospital flagged it as a covid death because that person tested positive on a previous covid test.

Listen to the Joe Rogan podcast from last week w/ Elon Musk, he agrees with my statement.

EDIT: Is it just me or is HN becoming more and more of an echo chamber where people downvote anything that goes against their own politics and yet they have no rebuttal or critical response. Lost a lot of respect for HN over the past few months. And for what it's worth, my original comment here is literally what's happening right now. Take your heads out of the fucking sand.

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The baseline mortality rate for an 80 year old is about 0.5% per month. The mortality rate for an 80 year old with coronavirus is about 15%, with nearly all deaths occurring within a month. So treating all deaths in coronavirus patients as being caused by coronavirus would only overstate the true case fatality rate by 3% or so. The ratio is similar for younger ages. Not sure why Joe Rogan or Elon Musk’s opinion would be relevant here.

You're not providing any evidence to back up your statement, except the opinions of Rogan and Musk; to my knowledge neither is an expert on health statistics. Could you provide a source to back up this claim?

You're saying coronavirus mortality figures are fabricated by state and hospital personnel, adding it to death certificates when it was not the cause. What's led you to that conclusion?

That isn't what I said. I'm saying that coronavirus is being listed as the primary cause of death in bad-faith.

According to the CDC guidelines[1]: In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.”

My conclusion is based on the broadness of that statement alongside the fact that hospitals receive $13k-$39k per Covid death. Plus my wife works at a large hospital and I'm getting the inside-scoop.

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

So you are saying every doctor reading that instruction is in bad faith writing "probable" when in fact, they don't actually think it's probable?

Or do say all doctors writing "probable" are actually deluded?

He is saying that as Dr Birx on the coronavirus task force says [1] the government classify all coronavirus patient deaths as ‘COVID-19’ deaths, regardless of cause.

This is due to a highly unusual CDC guideline that stipulates this, and it may mask collateral deaths due to lockdown measures that could be avoided if we like normal looked for the true cause.

The reason why this is relevant is that an overwhelming percentage of coronavirus deaths also had other serious health conditions.

[1] https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/feds-classify-all-coronavirus-...

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