So Bob needs to work so Fred can follow his passion for surfing and video games?
Bob's work isn't subsidizing Fred's lifestyle unfairly (at least under Yang's proposal) because the UBI is paid for by a tax on consumption (the VAT)
So then it's Bob's consumption that subsidizes Fred? That doesn't seem fair either. When Bob consumes, he spends money he earned through work. One way or another, money he earned is taken from him and given to Fred.
People are trying to express this idea that the "people will be lazy and content themselves with a meager UBI" is not an accurate one, and nearly every reply you've made has been a nonsequitor about how we should presumably be resentful at paying surfers to surf.
Nothing I've seen in this thread would satisfy the people who keep working.
Most people feel a fundamental sense of moral injustice and outrage when people who work are forced to support people who could work but choose not to. That is why our current welfare systems have means testing.
The thought is that we have enough Bobs in the world now, and enough technology and infrastructure, that allowing the Bobs to be Bobs and the Freds to be Freds will still work out fine.
(And I agree.)
AKA: responsibility
We have? We have machines that can do everything it takes to grow food, prepare it, ship it where it's needed, with no humans? We have machines that can build houses, cars, bicycles, and other forms of transportation, with no humans? We have machines that can make our clothes and all other necessary items with no humans? We have machines that can fix all our crumbling infrastructure with no humans?
I think you are drastically underestimating the amount of human work that is needed just to keep the basic functions of society working. Let alone to provide all the nice to have things that we all want.
If it turns out that we don't actually want smartphones, new jeans, Starbucks coffee, etc -- then that's great too. We'll end up with a lot less pointless consumption and people can spend their lives chillin' with their buddies!
It's not about "support human life" as in "3000kcal a day". Nobody wants that. They want a comfy human life. We can do that as well, only we need other humans to work to make that happen. Still, good for them if enough people are found to voluntarily work more so they can work on self-actualization and enjoy hedonism.