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I was confused by how low that was until I realized you meant per minute. I assume you use a higher dose at first to actually induce unconsciousness?

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No, I did NOT mean per minute. Ketamine dose for induction of unconsciousness/general anesthesia is 0.5-1.0 mg/kg as a bolus push over a few seconds. Ketamine comes as 100mg/cc and 10mg/cc: I always used the 10mg/cc formulation IV because it was easier to draw up the precise dose I wanted. Loss of consciousness takes 30 seconds to 1 minute for most people. I never used ketamine drips during anesthesia because it was just one more thing to have to track. Boluses every 30-60 minutes sufficed.

For IM use in children and patients with no venous access, induction of general anesthesia is achieved with a dose of 5-10mg/kg. Here, the 100mg/cc formulation is superior since the volume to be injected is 1/10 that required with the 10mg/cc version.

Addendum: one of ketamine's most common uses is in the Burn Unit, as the general anesthetic of choice for daily burn dressing changes, which often require daily doses for weeks. Most people receiving daily doses become tolerant within a few days, such that the dose has to steadily be increased over the period of treatment. A log book of dates and doses is kept at the patient's bedside because different people will be doing the dressing changes on different days.

For example, if on the first day the dose was a bolus of 1.0 mg/kg IV, and by the fourth or fifth day the patient wasn't rendered unconscious by this dose, a supplemental dose of perhaps 0.5 mg/kg IV would be given there and then, and the next day's starting dose would be 1.5 mg/kg. Sometimes patients would end up receiving 2-3 times their starting dose by the time the series of dressing changes was complete.

That seems kinda low. I've personally never seen anyone get knocked out by a single bolus < 1mg/kg. The only citation I can find is 0,5-2,0 mg/kg if primed with midazolam which sounds more reasonable but is still a big caveat.

A lot of doses < 1 mg/kg are used in e.g. caudal blocks https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4258981/

How many people have you personally never seen get knocked out by a single bolus < 1mg/kg?

Ah, I see. I was conflating the IM and IV dosages; 0.5mg/kg seemed much too low to induce general anesthesia from what I vaguely remembered of IM dosages. Thank you for elaborating.

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