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There are no communist activist violent groups, so no not to the same extent. At least none visibly active anywhere reported. That argues that the radicalisation has been predominantly right wing, as there are many active violent fascist groups now, and weren't a few years ago.

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Red Guards, MRB and "Defend our Hoodz" in my area alone.

It wasn’t right wing extremists who were burning churches and police stations and taking over city blocks.

But they sure as shit were shooting up black churches. Or do we not want to talk about it?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylann_Roof

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Muhammad

^Also a racially motivated murder that people don't like to confront "Muhammad's goal in Phase One was to kill six white people a day for 30 days (180 per month).". The media is partially responsible for these attacks by stoking racial divisions in the US.

The media suddenly becomes super interested in racial divisiveness and pandering to racists who exclusively vote for Democrats around June of a Presidential election year.

you mean protesting local government not being responsive to the fact people are literally being killed by cops? I don't see any issue with that.

its just a building. rebuild it later once you fix the problems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party

Have you not heard of Antifa somehow? It's a communist activist violent group.

Anti-fascist action has a strong tradition all the way back to 1936 when the fascist getting punched was Oswald Mosely. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street

It's not exactly recent, but it is pretty much purely reactive.

In what way does anti-fascism imply anything other than anti-authoritarian, least of all pro-communism? This guy I linked below when trying to understand your comment even questions if it can be considered a "group" at all ( "I also question whether antifa can be considered to constitute a “group” at this point in time"), and I agree. Either way, equating far-right violence (which was responsible for every extremist death in 2018) and violence associated with antifa, for example against people like those at Charlottesville, Neo-Nazis, Neo-fascists, and white supremacists, just seems deeply disingenuous to the point of trolling.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12115-018-0246-x

You don't really understand what this is about. The original antifascist movement was about using communism to fight fascism (also known as national socialism, BTW). That is, communist totalitarianism vs capitalist totalitarianism. It was a Stalinist movement. The current "Antifa" pretty much quote The Internationale [1] as their position, without even knowing what it is, or that they are quoting it. This ignorance would be humorous, were it not so dangerous.

To quote wikipedia: Antifa (German: [ˈantifaː]), was a militant anti-fascist organisation in Weimar Republic started by members of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) that existed from 1932 to 1933. They flew hammer and sickle over their headquarters too [2]. Many of the current members are commies also.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Internationale

[2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Bundesar...

Can you point out where this purported capitalized Antifa posts their updates? Because right now it seems like you have so many "understandings" about capitalized Antifa that it would be easiest to just get the fundamental things like exactly who you're speaking of instead of asking you to necessarily have to explain it all here.

Just to be very klear: ze current https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States) is NOT ze paramilitary wing of a german communist party! we germans have nothing to do wiz your innenpolitikal troubles!

Also: Here is an account of anti-communist anti-authoritarians singing The Internationale in 1989 when in police custody. Odd they would sing that when you characterized the song as a singularly communist anthem. One possibility is that every anti-authoritarian member of Capitalized Antifa isn't a communist after all.

https://books.google.com/books?id=so474D6P9LsC&pg=PA22&lpg=P...

Yes, there are people who subscribe to it without understanding what it really means. I think I pointed this out a couple of posts upward. Such people are often called "useful idiots" by those who really understand what's going on and have an actual goal. 1917 revolution in Russia was mostly carried out by useful idiots, tens of millions of whom have died afterwards of famine and repressions.

So only the people who "have an actual goal" is who Antifa consists of? Or just Antifa "leadership" I'm just not totally understanding why anti-X necessarily has to shoot past center to pro-Y.

"So" followed by a completely made up version of what you think I was saying is a tell for cognitive dissonance. It's pointless to engage after this point.

Certainly not, it's that if one follows your tenuous logic down it's path it falls apart badly without you being willing to clarify the things I asked. My guess is just that you're so deeply anti-communist and pro-capitalism, that even anti-fascism is offensive to you. Just looks like indoctrination to me, but again I do welcome you to point me to wherever the capitalized Antifa violent communist group is posting. That would clear everything up.

Just to clarify, antifa became an issue after trump started quoting a twitter antifa account, which was run by a right wing, white supremacy guy.

It is a good example of social media being used to radicalise the right wing, in fact.

That was very recent and people have been talking about antifa for years. Not to suggest it was the first false flag or whatever. But I distinctly remember people ranting about them around the time of the Virginia protests.

I vaguely remember a story a few years ago about a guy receiving a blow to the head from a bike lock and requiring therapy for potential brain damage from said blow.

I vaguely remember the leftists cheering, too.

Let's be clear, that sucks, but it's nowhere near the radicalization we've seen on the right. Boogaloos shooting cops, neo-nazis responsible for numerous synagogue / church / mosque shootings, driving cars into crowds, etc. aren't really comparable to a bike lock to the head.

The Jewish deli shooting, the Dallas cop shooter... the list goes on.

Given the history of "antifa" as a movement, I would argue that against them being radicalized even so in recent times. What I do think is that antifa has become more relevant because of the rise of radical right wing in social media as a bogeyman.

You mean guys like this?

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/11/santa-cruz-and-oaklan...

Are you equally concerned about left-wing activist lawyers trying to murder four cops with a molotov cocktail?

Yes. And I'm glad that it was only an attempt and not a success. Even if I agreed with their motivation, it's a tactic for dipshits.

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