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You mean the specific experience when back buttons aren't working? Or when urls don't make sense? Or when you can't just share the content by copying the url because it no longer identifies the conten? Or when you can't say if something is loading, missing, or broken?

This is my user experience with SPAs regarding navigation.

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If an spa is behaving like that, the coders have failed at their job.

"PHP is fine, it's just poor developers making bad sites".

And then people stopped using PHP.

PHP wasn't good, fine maybe, though I understand it's better now.

it was kind of slow, and all the functions were inconsistent, and had a lot of foot-guns. It was easier to write more robust code and model-view-controller code in other languages. (not that it was impossible in php)

It’s hard to make the claim that PHP is a bad language and also claim that very similar complaints don’t also apply to Javascript. They’re both languages defined by their popularity in spite of how poor the language actually is.

javascript is a dumpster fire.

unfortunately it's the only actually viable language in the browser.

> And then people stopped using PHP.

Evidence?

In my experience, PHP seems to be more in use now than ever.

A quick HN search shows PHP’s unpopularity. Check the Stack Overflow survey if you need a second opinion.

Conversely, I’m gonna need evidence that PHP is more popular than ever because that absolutely is an extraordinary claim.

People stopped using PHP in which planet?

Exactly.

Use better SPAs.

Agree. There are a lot of bad SPAs out there, but that's a testament to how easy they are to get started with and their popularity.

That doesn't mean good SPAs don't exist - many do!

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