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Yes, but Jeans are part of the collapse now and considered formal for creatives with Levi's down 62% and doing layoffs. I thought "formality" was bizarre as well, but apparently their target demo don't consider the older skinny-jeans, and the new high-waisted mom-jeans to be as comfortable as Lulus... who'd have thunk it?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/07/28/jeans-sal...

I suspect that it's a long term trend to reduce cost and quality/durability to maintain sales volumes. Fast fashion was a part of this, but now that people aren't going out to be seen, it doesn't matter what you're wearing (if it looks good on zoom). I suspect this will trend back once we're going out more, but with LA/NY/SF/MIA mostly shut down it won't be this year. What is happening for the Oscars, Emmys, Grammys, but home video?

Maybe leisure suits will come back?

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I barely buy jeans now because it's hard to find a pair that isn't 10% spandex

What are you talking about? There are tons of brands that sell 100% cotton denim jeans.

Even Levi's is doing it. I was amazed to discover while shopping that they have an entire line of skinny jeans that are part spandex.

Whatever happened to practical, well-wearing clothes for gold miners?

> Whatever happened to practical, well-wearing clothes for gold miners?

They went the same way as the gold miners.

They're still around. Two MIUSA brands are L.C. King and Round House (I prefer King's styling), and there are probably many more made overseas.

I love L.C. King but when I checked just now, they don't have a single style of jeans in my size, all they seem to have in stock is larger sizes.

After buying mostly levi's jeans for 30 years I started noticing huge differences in quality / durability.. upon inspecting the waist seams I noticed the 'made in pakistan / mexico' and other labels of origin. The same style/numbers from different years had different fabric thicknesses and were made in various places, and they did not last as long. So I started to question this "American brand".

Then they started going all anti-gun / SJW / spending money to reduce gun rights.

I have not bought a pair in a long time, won't buy any of that brand for anyone else, and anytime someone I know is shopping for or discussing jeans I mention my distaste for the brand and those who would support them.

Seeing them go down sparks joy. I'd rather wear a leisure suit made by snuggies than hand them cash. Seems I'm not the only one.

*edit to manual correct seems to seams

Sad to see that the nuts think requiring background checks is now "reducing gun rights". Reasonable limits on rights has always been constitutional. Perhaps you should give that document a read.

I guess fox news is winning that battle.

When researching the levis funding and the partnership with 'everytown' - they use words like 'common sense', and 'ending violence' - in the headings.. but when you look at the agenda and what they actually advocate for - it's not background checks - they are actively trying to ban a long list of weapons and putting up other barriers to make it harder for people to bear arms. (see what they tried to push through in VA recently) It is not just 'background checks'.

I will happily re-read this doc any day.

Funny you mention fox news winning the battle, I read an article in the last few hours that says they are. They are crushing every other news group - all of the primetime news - even though they are cable only in most markets and the others have further ota reach.

However I don't celebrate that. They are not my primary news source. I put them about 9th or 10th in my reads.

They shouldn’t be in your news source all. If they are you aren’t worth debating as you clearly don’t understand facts. Embarrassing.

Nobody cares about your precious guns. We care about mentally ill getting assault rifles. It’s really not that hard to understand.

> Reasonable limits on rights has always been constitutional.

Citation needed. I don't know how more unambiguous the framers could get than "shall not be infringed".

Setting aside my personal feelings on the matter, this just seems to be a bad argument which is not in evidence. I've read the Constitution thoroughly on more than one occasion, I don't see anything within that makes it seems as if the framers thought ignoring what was written in plain English and skirting its intent was a-okay.

Citation? 40 years of Supreme Court rulings. You right to free speech has its limits. As does every other right.

It always strikes me as odd that so many Americans look at the constitution as if it was a holy text from the founding fathers that must be followed and left unchanged, even though they are usually discussing amendments...

The Bill of Rights is meant to be a declaration of immutable rights of human beings. It always strikes me as odd that people view these as permissions given from some higher authority that can be changed. The reason they are so viciously argued for is because it is the only thing we can point to that enshrines the idea that we have individual rights that cannot be legislated away.

Nobody’s discussing an amendment here, at no point did they suggest it should remain unchanged, and concerns over interpretation apply to any future amendments anyways.

Picking up a gun you’ve found from the larger cultural war and shooting random commenters with it is fun, but quite inappropriate for HN from what I’ve seen of it.

> Nobody’s discussing an amendment here

Yes they are, the comment above me has this:

> I don't know how more unambiguous the framers could get than "shall not be infringed".

That's the second amendment, is it not?

Based on the kinds of things I see people posting on social media, I think the attitude regarding amendment #2 stems from fear. Guns make them feel safe. Including feeling safe from the government who they fear will come to try to do things like silence them and destroy their ways of thinking or even cause physical harm. So it causes real conflict for them when the government wants to put limits on guns.

On top of that, the 2nd amendment itself is about defending against the government. It says that armed citizens are necessary to be able to form a well-regulated militia. The founding fathers had just broken free of an oppressive government, so they wanted to be sure it was possible for states to break free again if necessary.

Levi's donated a million dollars to billionaire Mike Bloomberg, who not surprisingly supports the most heavy-handed and disenfranchising form of background checks imaginable. It's sadly predictable how the wealthiest folks tend to be the ones who support the "reasonable limit" of charging someone hundreds of dollars to practice a constitutional right.

Didn't you get the memo? The left is all about the guns now too.

I had a very similar experience with Adidas shoes. For a long time (~15 years maybe) I was pretty much exclusively buying Adidas shell-toes for my daily footwear. They were the most comfortable well fitting shoes and fit my wide feet well. It was nice not having to spend much time looking or trying on shoes - every 2 or even 3 years when they wore out I'd buy a new pair and they fit just like the last one.

The last pair I bought fell apart in 3 months, the ball of my foot eating through the interior material in that short span. I kept wondering "what changed" and then I looked at the label in the tongue. Different country of manufacture than the last 2 pairs I bought (I'd usually keep my old pair as a backup since they typically still had some life left in them, despite the sole wearing down)

Interesting - the past 5 years or so I noticed a similar issue with skechers I had been buying (frequently for more than a decade) - used to be, I could get a couple years out of a pair and retire them to lawn mowing duty from being dingy or worn out.. but the past few years I had a couple pairs bust the seams near the toes in about only 6 months.

As much as I liked the styles, I started to try other brands... then went back when some skechers were on sale and bought the 'wide' versions to see if there was a difference. I have really been enjoying the new balance I've been wearing more than any the past couple years.

I always found adidas really bad for wide feet / same as nike. Reebok or Vans are wider.

They fit my feet pretty well vs. other brands I've tried. YMMV.

I am friends with an exec that does textile manufacturing and clothes are manufactured against a "#washes" lifetime. Interestingly, brands like Polo Ralph Lauren have straight to outlet products and their #washes will be a lower number than their high-street equivalent.

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