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App stores, and their restrictions, aren't ridiculous. They are a consequence of an Internet filled with viruses, malware, and spam.

The only thing I blame Apple for is not allowing installing apps from third-party sources, after you tick a checkbox in settings, like Android does. I would even accept a loss of warranty on doing that, because I'm a big boy, I understand the consequences, and I want to take that risk.

Otherwise let's be honest, people actually love a curated app store, and you're in a tiny minority.

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You have no idea which opinion is in the minority. In reality most non-tech people don't even know that Apple rules the app store with an iron fist. One benefit of Epic's lawsuit is the publicity giving millions of young people an inkling of what's going on.

People may not know Apple's rules, but they enjoy the benefits regardless, safety being one of the clear perks of using an iOS device. And yes, Apple's devices are much safer than alternatives.

Btw, if you want to play the knowledge game, do the non-tech people know that Epic's Privacy Policy [1] explicitly allows them to sell their data for marketing purposes?

Personally, I'll always side with the company that respects my privacy.

[1] https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/privacypolicy

>The only thing I blame Apple for is not allowing installing apps from third-party sources,

So you are OK with Apple not allowing you to get informed about the 30% tax? If you are fine with this, why? is the information dangerous for you?

Yes, I'm OK with that, because it's in the contract. It's what developers sign on when joining Apple's App Store.

This isn't about being dangerous or not, but about Apple's App Store being clearly Apple's property. Like it or hate it, you don't go and shout on someone's property, against the host's rules, without expecting to be kicked out.

As a developer, if you don't like it, then don't distribute your apps on Apple's App Store. As a consumer, if you don't like it, then don't buy Apple's products. It's as simple as voting with your wallet.

And I realize that due to Apple's size, it's not easy to avoid their App Store. But complaining about it won't help.

Also, fuck Facebook, fuck Epic Games. I may regret this later, but I'm always glad when privacy-invading companies suffer.

I mean as a user not as a developer, are you fine if a judge will declare that Apple can force developers not to say certain things, not to link to certain pages that Apple does not want? If you are OK with Apple doing that then are you OK with Google and Microsoft doing the same?

Second question, why as a user you are OK with Apple preventing developer to inform you of better deals? It is just a piece of text with a link, you are not forced to click the link, is this information causing you some kind of "damage/distrss"? When the average user buys an iPhone do they get a giant EULA read to them and there it says in the clear "by using our product you agree that Apple will hide better financial deals for you because it can hurt our shareholders ?"

If judges in US will premit Apple to do whatever they want Google will have the green light to be as shitty as Apple, lock the store, do even more censorship, maybe Chrome and Google Search can also hide websites that Google does not like, you can use Safari if you don't like it.

So basically under the cover of having packaged technology much of which was developed with public funds, Apple is acting as a monopolist provider of security protection. Nice linux-based networked computing device you got here, shame if something were to happen to it. Why is policing the streets a common good, and policing apps left to a pair of oligarchies?

policing apps is not left to oligarchies. It's a crime to install malware on someone's machine, and it is enforceable. But sometimes you as an individual want a "pre-crime" agency, and maybe it's best not to have the "pre-crime" agency be the state. And that's why, for better or worse, we have mallcops and neighborhood patrols.

The flaw in you comparison is thinking that whoever is in control of this will think in your well being and not actually cheat.

This exact thread is over this "good dictator" being caught cheating and thinking about their own well being first, with their users being damaged and treated as second-class citizens.

The company have a great marketing strategy that makes you and others first you are first class, while in reality their goals and objectives comes first in detriment to your expectations about it.

But somehow this marketing campaign is so good, that even when caught in the act, a lot of their users are still in denial.

BTW, about mall cops and "pre-crime"; mall cops cant arrest anybody before they commit a said "crime". Also, the definition of what is a crime and not is pretty dangerous and used by people with malice over and over to resort some form of control and manipulation over public opinion (see Bush "War on terror" for instance used to bomb Saddam and cap citizens rights and get reelection, which is basically "War on drugs" 2.0).

In some android phones you don't even need that checkbox anymore instead a android dialog will pop open to ask you if you want to install the app from a untrusted source...

Through might a a vendor specific change.

Also the idea that you must "protect" you customers from "external payment services which might grab you data" is ridiculous it's assuming the user is generally incompetent and can't do any decision by themselves.

Warning them is a different matter.

Requiring a min app price of 5€ (30% cut) or 1.5 (100%) cut for apps with non apple in-app payment would also be understandable.

But having intentionally vague formulated rules for which if you brake them you often either get no usable feedback or are called by phone is not ok.

Calling by phone in such situations is not good service but a common strategy to prevent paper trails which could show abusive behaviour.

I would put a correction that Apple users specifically like walled gardens the app stores.

Things like the windows store, snap store appear to be significantly hated for reasons of taking away control and auto-updating.

Same thing I guess with steam, origin, uplay, and epic's equivalent too.

> I would put a correction that Apple users specifically like walled gardens the app stores.

I don't disagree with you, but I don't think it's specifically liking walled gardens: it's rather about hating fragmentation.

It's the same thing with gamers who complain about Epic exclusives that want their entire game library on Steam, or people who complain about Disney/Hulu/Prime licensing titles that were previously on Netflix.

People just don't want to have multiple accounts.

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@ratww: people don't like different accounts for a very good reason: it costs a lot more money to obtain the same value.

> it costs a lot more money to obtain the same value

True, this is easy to see in the Netflix/Hulu/Prime example, with requiring multiple subscriptions.

Do you also think it holds true for the Steam and Apple examples? That's a legitimate question btw, I have no opinion of my own.

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