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One of the goals for CK3 was to dumb CK2 down in order to reach a wider audience. I honestly would not describe any of the newer Paradox games as complex (yes, even Stellaris).

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CK3 has more systems out of the box than CK2 when it came out.

CK3 just just looks simpler because its presented in a lot better/cleaner way. (and the fact, that CK2 wasn't as complicated as EU4)

Hey don't forget Vicky II, which is mostly a complex spreadsheet simulator with sliders and a map.

My friend, let me introduce you to a game called Aurora 4x

here is some gameplay[1][2] and forum where development happens [3] . There is c# revrite comming ...

  [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXqBYDSno7w
  [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77mvpSvVu10
  [3]http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php

Have you played CK3? It's definitely not dumbed down.

I find it hard to imagine a Paradox game that could not be described as complex. Maybe some are not quite as complex as others, but they're definitely complex. Especially compared to any version of Civilization.

Maybe not, but they're vastly more complex than any Civilization game has been.

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