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I’m not quite sure how to answer your question. Clearly there are long-term investors and companies in today’s markets. I think there would be more of them if they had a platform conducive to their philosophy.

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>Clearly there are long-term investors and companies in today’s markets.

That's not really an answer to the question - so how do you define long-term, and how do you take reports? Are they still quarterly reports? Or are the reports longer-term? How do companies prove they're long-term to interact with your platform?

You haven't really talked about the concrete definitions or parameters around 'long-term' in this thread. Please do, it would be nice.

Quarterly reporting is an SEC requirement, so we don't affect that. We do require certain additional reports be filed on an annual basis.

Companies prove their long term by adopting policies responsible to our long-term principles. The way this works is spelled out in a lot of detail both on our website and in our regulatory filings. Here's more of a layman's overview: https://longtermstockexchange.com/static/principals_for_lt_s...

Thank you. Have you discussed possible perverse outcomes to (D) and (E)? If so, what negative outcomes have you been able to foresee?

It seems that perhaps you have some idea of what these perverse outcomes look like. D) seems to be "a company reinvests in its employees (training, etc) and E) is someethign like "a Company rewards employees and stakeholders for long-term company success."

What does the perverse scenario look like for you?

I legitimately don't have any in mind. I just have zero faith in humanity, and assume loopholes will be exploited to follow the letter of the law, but not the intent. I was wondering if they've thought about that and what his thoughts were about it.

Edit; The only one I can think of, when it comes to rewarding employees is what if a company uses contractors (or gig workers if you use those words), and therefore not defined as employees?

You don't even need to say it like that: you have zero faith in humanity. You should have some faith, we've performed reasonably okay over time. The problem is thus: over a long enough time period, given any individual's inert desire to benefit from something, it will be attempted if not by one individual, then by another. Wanting to define, in law, through enforcement, terms of ethical conduct and its breach is reasonable and necessary herein where capital is involved.

I'd like to see a market for solely worker-owned cooperatives, in which stock dissolves over a fixed time-period, 5 years(restaurant)-500 years(asteroid mining). "Dissolve" being essentially buybacks that occur, bending based on performance. Then again, I'd like to see capital dissolving, normalizing, over 100 years, giving capital the property of entropy, redistributing it all, but very slowly over the span of a bit more than a human lifetime. This capital would be more valuable than any world currency.

In the SEC filing they say that companies will be required to issue long term policy documents and that their progress should be measured in Years or Decades and with long term compensation plans. The compensation piece seems like the most concrete requirement given that most companies will say they have long term plans. But those companies also reward executives based on stock price and earnings in a quarterly/yearly intervals, not decades.

We don't allow companies to list if all they have are vague plans. Each policy requires companies to make structural, externally-verifiable commitments.

Sounds Great! Thanks for Lean Startup it helped save me from spending years developing a product without a market.

> Clearly there are long-term investors and companies in today’s markets.

As the age-old principle goes: could you please name three?

Examples would help us understand the idea more thoroughly.

Institutional investors like pension funds have a longer term focus. If this platform succeeds, it might encourage more institutions like it.

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