Had the woman in question not been given surgery, we'd be having a similar discussion about ICE not providing appropriate medical care...
(Her complaint is largely about failure to follow proper procedures for COVID, and this "uterus collector" thing is not the bulk of her story. Obviously that's a pretty explosive allegation though.)
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/9/22/dawn_wooten_ice_force...
It is illegal and the doctor who is suspected of potentially performing those procedures (either without proper consent or with poor communication or totally fraudulent) is being investigated.
The fact that someone crosses our border illegally with nothing and is given world class medical treatment for no charge is incredible.
If this doctor did wrong things (potentially just as a way to bill additional charges?) that is obviously terrible. But I don't think that negatively reflects on ICE at all.
Instead they are committing genocide (see this article about what the Chinese government is doing: https://www.justsecurity.org/71615/chinas-forced-sterilizati...)
The difference between China and the US is not that people in the US don't do bad things.... of course people do bad things in the US.
But when it can be proven that people here broke laws, they do go to jail.
Absolutely. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity
For an example of how pervasive and silly QI has gotten:
https://reason.com/2020/05/19/qualified-immunity-supreme-cou...
"Last year, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit Court decided that two police officers in Fresno, California, who allegedly stole more than $225,000 in assets while executing a search warrant, could not be sued over the incident. Though "the City Officers ought to have recognized that the alleged theft was morally wrong," the unanimous 9th Circuit panel said, the officers "did not have clear notice that it violated the Fourth Amendment.""
> But when it can be proven that people here broke laws, they do go to jail.
I mean, sometimes.
Sometimes they kill four people while drunk and get probation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Couch
Qualified immunity refers to not being allowed to sue for those officer's personal property.
It has nothing to do with the criminal consequences (ie going to jail). Those officers absolutely can be sent to prison.
There's a pattern here, notice it
>The Associated Press on Friday reported that at least eight women since 2017 had been taken to see Amin for gynecological treatment, though it did not find evidence of mass hysterectomies as alleged in the complaint.
[0] https://apnews.com/article/georgia-archive-immigration-f3b10...
Everyone at ICE is a fascist pig white supremacist bootlicker racist subhuman.
There, is that better?
No it's not. Maybe if rationality was accepted we wouldn't end up in these us vs. them meme wars.
And even if you disagree with existing immigration laws, refusing to provide services to ICE doesn't make ICE go away, it just makes them carry out their mandate less efficiently - leading to a worse experience for the people they're charged with investigating.
Refusing to serve customers you believe to be behaving unethically is one way to make their operations more expensive -- the goal is to deter them from pursuing morally bankrupt policies (like separating families at the border or giving unwanted/unneeded hysterectomies)
Whether or not you agree with Hootsuite, your point doesn't make sense.
California and all the other states are only enforcing gun laws, which are part of our justice system