Could you post a link to a reasonably reliable source (that is, scientific or government backed) that says this?
thanks.
Back when I was in high school, the eco-panic 10 year prediction was that oil would run out and the world economy would collapse. It didn't. I see some of my classmates on facebook from time to time. They remembered this instance of crying wolf and updated their priors accordingly. Now they ignore legitimate climate worries. It's unfortunate.
If the current trend continues and nothing done by 2030 the repercussions will be so severe to the environment they threaten future organized human existence.
So basically we still have time to avoid the worst outcome, the loss of the ability for organized human existence. Not that we will all be dead by then.
Presumably, she is arguing that hyperbolic proclamations are a valid way to get people to listen and engage in political discourse.
Of course, I presume that by "serious people" you are referring to scientists, but it definitely creates a mixed message from politicians- you know, the ones setting government policy.
At what point is it not hyperbole, but actual serious discussion? Should we treat everything as hyperbolic? All this does is confuse the problem (making it more or less drastic than it actually is).
In my lifetime, "serious people" have often made predictions about drastic things and were completely wrong- and they had models to support them! This is true about many things beyond climate change as well. Why should this be any different? Why should I believe that I should act, or believe that there is still time to do so? Is this a new hockey stick graph?
If you don't invest a lot of time sorting through all the BS, most people I think end up flipping a coin, picking a side and just going with it.
"The world would end by 2030", like obviously there is no way this can be true. No matter what happens the world will not end in a biblical sense.
"People made predictions and were wrong in the past" is a great point.
Why should you believe you should act or that you can and do something about it? I don't know great question! I'm sure someone has explored the morality of avoiding the worst case scenario caused by human induced climate change.
Anyway, my point was that we are better off avoiding such hyperbole and overstating the case; it biases people towards inaction, especially when the worst case is consistently promoted and consistently fails to occur.
We could (theoretically) end global warming this instant by turning off every electrical appliance and not burning a single molecule of fossil fuel. How many people would die in an hour, without life saving medical equipment or heat in their homes? A day? A year?
When you discuss the morality of avoiding the worst case scenario, you still have to weigh the consequences of the actions (or inactions).
If the doom-and-gloom worst case scenario is consistently wrong, and that is the one that gets talked about most frequently, then people are going to avoid the most serious consequences that would occur by drastic action to head off the worst case scenario- especially when that means putting off personal sacrifices.
I'm not American, climate change is not an American problem it's a global one. It's completely out of the scope of the conversation to require me to explain how you are deficient in your understanding of the nuance of what was actually said by the Congresswoman.
The conversation of Climate Change, Global Warming, whatever has been going on long before AOC even ran for Congress so I really don't see the point you and the original poster I was responding to are actually making by invoking her as some boogie man.
Yes sure talking hyperbolic doesn't help and can turn people off. Ok agreed. Excellent points all aroud.
Cortez said exactly that though. You could argue that she isn't a serious person, but lots of people do take her seriously, she is a very public figure.
Exact quote from 2019: "The world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change".
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/...
"Millennials and Gen Z and all these folks that come after us are looking up, and we're like, 'The world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change, and your biggest issue is how are we gonna pay for it?' " she said.
Even a very middlebrow newspaper like USA Today was able to figure out that she was characterising a political viewpoint rather than making a straight scientific assertion, as shows by the use of single quotation marks.
It's misleading to strip away that context, just as it would be accurate-but-misleading if I trimmed her quote down further to say 'Ocasio-Cortez: 'Don't address climate change.''
The thing is, she put it out there. It put the notion in people's minds. If we don't fix it by then, we'll be unable to avoid a mass extinction event. That was the whole point of the green new deal (along with a grab bag of other social justice items).
When we are talking about how people can become overly distressed, and then jaded when their fears don't come to pass, that is exactly the kind of rhetoric that makes the situation worse, not better.
There is always going to be some % of the population saying something is a terrible idea and their concerns aren't bein treated seriously enough, like the minority of people alleging that wearing face masks and social distancing is tyranny. One should certainly make a few good faith efforts to get them on board, but after the 3rd or 4th irrational or bad-faith rejection, it's OK to sideline them.
Apparently scientists had been seeing temperatures dropping for quite some time. (I also remember winters having more snow than they do now).
Later all that changed to global warming.
I also point you to this: https://www.skepticalscience.com/What-1970s-science-said-abo...
All the data points to anthropogenic global warming and the fundamental phenomena has been understood for well over a century.
> Apparently scientists had been seeing temperatures dropping for quite some time. (I also remember winters having more snow than they do now).
> Later all that changed to global warming.
The thing is, "global cooling" was almost exclusively a phenomenon of the popular press. It was a minority view among climatologists all along. wikipedia has a good summary: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_coolingp
There would be Ice Age if not human activity. Needed specific data to see the trend, not available to layman. Today we do not need to get far away to see climate change. This is science, believing your eyes.
Of you claim something exceptional, you need exceptional proof. Such as the mentioned world-will-end claims.
If you are merely saying "there's a guy who says..." it's a whole lot easier, you just have to point at where he said it.
I'm not making any claims, just pointing out that if someone indeed says that the world will end soon, they gotta do the heavy lifting.