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See the neighbor comment. If i7-1165G7 (a 28W part) can be faster than 10900k, there’s no reason M1 couldn’t be faster.

the question is "for how long" - if it heats up and throttles after a few seconds, desktop CPUs will still have a major advantage for longer tasks.

2/3 devices announced yesterday come with active cooling (MacBook Pro 13" and Mac mini).

Apple active cooling systems are also not that great, with the six core MBP15" heating and throttling when it was first released, and the MBP 16" also having heating/throttling issues.

The Mac Mini also isn't the paragon of active cooling. I've worked with one of the current gen Intel Mac Minis, and that thing gets really hot! Like 60-80 degrees celcius. The insides must be cooking if the outside is that hot.

The 2013 Mac Pro also had heating design issues, only corrected with the current gen Mac Pro.

I'd say active cooling is a consistent weakness of the entire modern Mac hardware design division.

Apple's cooling design isn't great for cooling (maybe great for visual?), but it should be advantage for Apple Silicon compared to Intel CPU on the same Mac.

I mean the whole point of Apple Silicon is that since it's all made by Apple they can control how much heat their MacBooks generate now

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