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> In corrupt places as well as democratic, peaceful places

As if "democratic" excludes the corrupt. Some of the most corrupt, destitute and backwards countries in the world are democratic.

> In corrupt places, this unrest is an opportunity for improvement. In non-corrupt ones, it is an opportunity for worsening.

Show me one non-corrupt place on earth. I'm in a mood for a good laugh.

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I don’t know about “non-corrupt”, but we in New Zealand do a fairly good impression of it.

Not to bring computer science into this, but in any system the chance for corruption increases with both size and complexity. New Zealand, while I'm very fond of it and a great admirer of it, is pretty small and notoriously hard to immigrate to.

That’s a surprising comment.

We are one of the easiest countries in the world to immigrate to, and have an extremely immigrant-friendly culture.

The OP's comment resonates with my experience: I'm a Kiwi who's had family members immigrate, as well as talked to many friends and individuals who are trying to immigrate. It's definitely an immigrant-friendly culture (more so now than several years back), but that's not quite the same thing as "easy to immigrate to". Many of my acquaintances (from India, South Africa, and the EU) have found it very hard to find work here, extremely time-consuming and tiring to get through the visa process, and some have had to return home. I'm not saying it should be super-easy, and maybe it is easier than some other countries (I don't really know), but it's definitely not "easy" for most people I've talked with.

You can get work visas for a limited time period, but citizenship is incredibly difficult to obtain.

What about residence? I don't care much for voting rights.

You can vote with a resident visa in NZ.

https://sealandgov.org/

You can buy citizenship and noble titles starting at £29.99, and the only business ever based there got 'nationalised' after the founders fell out with the royal family. Try again :D

Antartica.

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