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It's not on the media to prove the loser of an election's fraud claim. It's on him. He hasn't provided an ounce of proof. His fraud claims were tried in over 60 different court cases, and the courts found that there was no election fraud [2].
[0] https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/12500675001900892... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQJzt48wXbA [2] https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/elections/20...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/politics/voting-fraud....
Either way it’s about the laziest route they could possibly take while still claiming they looked in to it.
Today every newscaster wants to project his personality onto the news and the results are deadly. We need an AI that strips news down to the 5W's+H and makes it available.
They can however be as dangerous, for example:
> Recommendation algorithms are summarization algorithms
The media did investigate it. Election results were audited. There was no significant fraud.
The sitting president lied.
The Stalin misquote is difficult to deny: "It doesn't matter how people vote as long as [those in power] count the votes."
Also few, if any, election results were truly audited.
There was undeniably fraud. E.g., in Pennsylvania mail-in ballots had mismatched signatures, ballots were accepted beyond the law's limiting dates, ballots with no date were accepted, etc.The fraud was committed by Democratic-party supporting voters, judges and local voting officials.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/12/07/mark-l...
Mail-in ballots are an invitation to fraud and now that the Democrats got away with it bigtime in 2020 the floodgates will open in 2022 and 2024 producing a flood of fraudulent mail-in votes in other states where Dems will do their best to pass and modify (by legislative fiat or court order) similar mail-in voting laws.
The sitting president simply told it like it was.
Governments did investigate it. That's what an election audit is.
The presidential election in Georgia is a good example of this. Georgia's election result from November was counted three times over. Georgia is confident the result is correct.
Nevertheless, Trump attempted to get the government of Georgia to commit election fraud for him. He wanted them to "find" an extra 11,780 votes for him.
Listen to the full one hour of Trump's phone call on the 2nd of January to Georgia's secretary of state Brad Raffensperger for yourself:
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/04/politics/donald-trump-geo...
Luckily for America, the government of Georgia stood up to Trump's attempt at election fraud and did not go along with it.
> The sitting president simply told it like it was
No. He has done nothing but lie to you.
> Nevertheless, Trump attempted to get the government of Georgia to commit election fraud for him. He wanted them to "find" an extra 11,780 votes for him.
Not quite true - that's the misleading summary people have been spreading, started by an out-of-context clip of the conversation. He wasn't trying to find extra votes, he was trying to find and validate votes which he believed could add up to 11,780 disqualified. Just re-counting the votes does not do this, those ballots would simply have been counted each time.
Two of the relevant quotes from the transcript:
> You had out-of-state voters. They voted in Georgia but they were from out of state, of 4,925. You had absentee ballots sent to vacant, they were absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses. They had nothing on them about addresses, that's 2,326.
> The other thing, dead people. So dead people voted and I think the number is close to 5,000 people. And they went to obituaries. They went to all sorts of methods to come up with an accurate number and a minimum is close to about 5,000 voters.
It's not out of context. Listen to the full hour of the phone call. Trump is told repeatedly his claims are false.
"If only Trump had you as a lawyer" crosses both the personal attack and snark lines, especially with your other comment guiding interpretation.
I'm just a bystander who likes to hang out here, but FWIW here are the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
It's likely some people are acting in bad faith, but many more just haven't seen convincing enough counterevidence to counteract what they've heard from "the other side". If we flag their posts so it's not even visible to most users and impossible to reply to, then it's impossible to have that conversation and we are just proving their claims of censorship and a lack of evidence.
I think it would help to have a summary essay, not attached to any news outlet, that simply listed the publicized claims of fraud (like this claim that mail-in voting is fraudulent), who benefits and loses (democrats are more likely to mail in ballots especially in 2020, so discrediting mail-in voting favors republicans), what evidence exists, what counterarguments invalidate the allegations, and whether the alleged fraud was sizable enough to sway the election. Boring and emotionless, like a spreadsheet.
Either way that’s besides the point, I wish I had your optimism but I doubt you’ll convince anyone who is dug in and truly believes trump won this election. If you do please let me know and I’ll apologize fervently to your friends and neighbors.
Trump isn't in the habit of making accusations with enough substance to start investigating anything, and when he does make specific verifiable claims, they're usually trivially refuted.
You cannot start investigating without some kind of specific evidence or suspicion that points in a particular direction. Lacking that, any claims that the outcome of the election must have resulted from fraud amount to calls for a broad and undirected witch hunt.
I mean this was always the game in politics, right media hated on every Obama move, left attacked Bush, etc. But Trump really lowered the level at which the game is played, and the opposition followed right down - so everything became ridiculous, infuriating, simplistic talking points and tribalism.
You must be living in an alternate reality but whether you like Trump or hate him you can't deny the fact that the media was completely against Trump from the very beginning. No doubts about that!