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Easy to read western propaganda and jump to conclusions without viewing the whole picture.

Of course the US hack the Chinese govt. Just because china don't publish accounts of attacks does not mean attacks are not occurring.

We already know Google are quite jaded towards China given their failure to succeed in the china market. Thus I take anything they comment about China with a grain of salt, given they clearly have an agenda.

An attack originating in Jinan does not necessarily mean chinese govt either. Given China's opaqueness on cyber issues, anyone wanting to hack anyone else could use china as a place to do it.

Though I agree, governments should invest in educating people on phishing scams.

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> An attack originating in Jinan does not necessarily mean chinese govt either.

In that case, we should expect to see a vigorous Chinese investigation into this illegal activity that originated from China, right?

Just like there was a comprehensive Chinese response to the well-documented cyber attacks on several American tech companies that originated from China in Dec 2009?

> In that case, we should expect to see a vigorous Chinese investigation into this illegal activity that originated from China, right?

Tell you what, Chinese police never deal with "Internet Theft" or "online intrusion" unless a large amount money is envolved.

And why do they even bother to investigate Gmail which is constantly in-accessable in China?

50 cent army much?

Looks like it. 1 comment (the grandparent), account created 69 days ago, shilling for the Chinese government.

For those who don't get the reference, here's an article that explains it: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/sep/22/chinathemedia.ma...

I see, so rather than actually discuss the points I make, just attack me as some chinese govt astro-turfer... wtf!?

Just because I haven't commented before doesn't make my comment less valid... does it?

Unfortunately, after seeing the firewall logs of several Internet facing machines in distinct hosting providers in different parts of the world, it's quite interesting to notice that 90% if not more of the port scans, http vulnerability scans, among others, come from network blocks from that part of the planet.

Even more illuminating that if their great firewall is so advanced, being able to block anything on a need basis, is not concerned on blocking these.

My understanding was the great firewall isn't so advanced. It is essentially a filter system, run in quite a manual fashion (i.e eyeballs on screens assessing if things should be blocked).

I'm not refuting attacks originating from china, there is piles of evidence that support this.

Things to keep in mind - there are more internet users in china, than anywhere else, so there is going to be more of 'everything' from china. One needs to convert the stats into per-capita ratios before making meaningful conclusions about % of attacks etc.

My main issue (in my original post) is the jump from "Attack from Chinese IP addresses on gmail accounts" to "China attacked us [The US]" - without any qualification.

It promotes a nationalistic 'Us against Them' mentality that is primarily based on hysteria rather than fact.

Very well said. In fact, blind nationalism is the very same strategy the 50-cent party uses (referring to the parent comment).

I haven't heard the term "50 cent army" before. I assume it's not a rapper's fan club?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

Ah, I see.

I'm a member of the Kiss Army, the Skynyrd Nation, and the Bananarama Republic.

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