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> Why does the Model M have essentially zero spill resistance? Because the cheap design doesn't permit spill resistance. When you spill water on an M, expect to either have it dry for weeks or months as the water evaporates from between the membranes, or to disassemble it. If it wasn't pure mountain spring water, you have to disassemble it, which--due to plastic rivets-- is a destructive proecss.

Hmm that would explain why my (Dell branded) buckling spring keyboard that i was using in the 2000s couldn't recover from a Pepsi spill.

> Go look at Model F reproductions. Those are solid keyboards.

Unfortunately the world has moved on and I want my separated inverted T arrow keys.

> New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard

As an EU resident, when I see that I think I'll have to deal with customs if i buy one :) Not much of an incentive.

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>> New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard

> As an EU resident, when I see that I think I'll have to deal with customs if i buy one :) Not much of an incentive.

Weird nationalism play there for me as well. For some reason japanese keyboard sounds artisan(given how many limited edition keyboards their scene builds) to me and american-made keyboard just sounds like grandure posturing. Especially since there are so many expensive japanese custom keyboards and none of them market themselves as being special BECAUSE they are japanese.

That said, QMK running decent quality mechanical keyboards nowadays are a rabbit hole with so many choices and price ranges that I find both this and the System76 announcement strange.

Edit: American-Made when used as a label to say how great your product is, absolutely IS appealing to national pride. Shipping cost is hardly relevant there.

Not really nationalism in my case. Shipping to my country (EU) costs 115$, more than the keyboard itself.

Besides the shipping costs, there's also customs and VAT. So for a 100$ I'll probably end up with paying 300$. So yeah, not gonna happen, too bad Unicomp doesn't have a EU reseller.

>Unfortunately the world has moved on and I want my separated inverted T arrow keys.

They have more modern layouts including inverted T arrows. Just look at the pictures on the homepage...

> Just look at the pictures on the homepage...

Maybe after scrolling there are pictures of more modern layouts, but not before. 16:10 deskop monitor with the browser maximized.

> to me and american-made keyboard just sounds like grandure posturing

It makes me think of Razer requiring to be signed into a cloud account to configure your mouse and keyboard.

Yeah, I know they gave up on that, but only because of the backslash. That's no reason to buy from them again.

It's in the first and main image on the homepage, and if you look at the actual models, the F77 one has arrow keys.

https://imgur.com/BQmNtl4

Maybe they do A/B testing if you see a non compact one when opening the page.

While I agree that it's not very prominent: https://imgur.com/a/24ooR1L

Oh but those aren't separated, they're with the numpad. I like my huuuge keyboards with blank space. The "new" 104-key layout.

The one you're circling is still compact to me.

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