[1] https://www.the-sun.com/news/126445/who-is-vernon-unsworth-t...
He was enjoying the limelight and was pretty hostile to anyone/anything that was taking the attention away from him. He also wanted to make money from it.
Most shockingly. He said "I will make the divers sugger [sic] for leaving us out of the loop "
Source (Exhibit 7, Page 49): https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.723137...
When he heard that Elon was offering SpaceX engineering resources to the cause. He said on a video interview to take the submarine and shove it where the "sun doesn't shine" while maniacally laughing.
These are all facts that came to light from his lawsuit. Which by the way he lost:
https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-wins-defamation-suit-b...
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/dec/06/elon-musk...
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/7887513/vernon-unsworth...
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/califor...
You must be responding to a strawman argument that I never made. Please show me where I claimed anything other than "he helped save children's lives".
> He was enjoying the limelight and was pretty hostile to anyone/anything that was taking the attention away from him. He also wanted to make money from the fame.
Considering that this is exactly what Musk did, I find it pretty ironic that his fans have no problem projecting that upon people that Musk smears.
> He said on a video interview to take the submarine and shove it where the "sun doesn't shine" while maniacally laughing.
Musk forced himself into a high stakes situation where literal children's lives were at risk. Instead of listening to the experts and officials executing the rescue effort, Musk turned the tragedy into a PR event and injected himself and his companies into a situation that he both wasn't wanted in and was asked not to participate in.
When celebrities get involved with disaster scenarios, especially when they are not experts in themselves, they interfere with rescue efforts because officials often trust celebrity advice and interference over that of experts[1].
Had officials delegated to Musk's celebrity and his impractical "submarine", the children would have died. Why? Because the submarine was physically unable to navigate the sharp turns[2] that were required to reach the children and get them out.
Unsworth, an expert and participant in the effort, used much kinder words than I would have had Musk tried to make a disaster that affected me into a PR spectacle.
[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44779998
[2] https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/10C6A/production...
A bit ad hominem isn't it? How do you know I am a fan? Everything I said are facts from court documents. Unsworth was even hostile to actual rescuers/divers... Are they fans of Musk too?
How do you address this statement by Unsworth: "I will make the divers sugger [sic] for leaving us out of the loop"
I think it speaks volumes about what kind of person he is and his moral values. Trying to capitalize on a "high stakes situation" per your own words. He is not exactly the saint/hero you're claiming. Based on court documents. Not my own opinion.
edit: It would be nice if you indicated that you edited your above post after I had replied to it. Thanks.
edit: edit: Given that you edited your post, I will have to reply via edit.
> A bit ad hominem isn't it? How do you know I am a fan
You're aware that HN posts aren't deleted, right? I know because of your own posts[1]. Of 338 total comments, 140 of them are defending Tesla, which is what 41.42% of your total posts are about.
For someone who claims they aren't a fan, you sure have a strange fixation with defending the company, even making it a significant chunk of your HN career.
I implore anyone who thinks that's an "ad hominem" to point this out to click on this link[1].
[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?query=xedeon%20tesla&dateRange=all&p...
You are essentially discounting the judge/jury decision on this matter. If the facts were on Unsworth side. It would have been an ironclad case. I am operating from a factual standpoint. You seem to be on the emotional side because you keep going on this tirade.
I love how you keep steering the conversation away from facts and directing it towards me. How exactly are you providing value on this discussion? Also, hang on... There are people who actually consider HN as a "career"? How do I get compensated?
I don't matter. Facts do. If you can correct me where I said something that is not factual on this thread. Please feel free to do so.
> You're aware that HN posts aren't deleted, right?
Of course! This is the internet after all. You're digging through my profile to make a point? Now that's what you call infantile. Why don't you address what I wrote with your counterarguments? You yourself seem to be on an emotional Tesla tirade [1]. Don't act all holier than thou.
[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
> I implore anyone who thinks that's an "ad hominem" to point this out to click on this link[1].
You just proved my point! What your doing is a sad attempt to rally the mob towards me. If people disagree, they can just downvote my comments. But I do try to be factual as best that I can.
It wasn't an isolated incident. Musk called the man a pedophile several times over the course of weeks and months. Millions of people's only exposure to the person who helped save kids' lives was seeing Musk call them a pedophile, over and over again, reinforcing the accusation.
Also, I have never smeared someone like that, and would never consider doing so at all, let alone just because they hurt my ego.
I think we can acknowledge that people are complex animals and that someone can be amazing at some things and terrible at others.
I think Elon regularly fails to meet my expectations of how we should treat other people. He regularly exceeds my expectations as the CEO of a launch services company.
I said Elon was "just a mean, vindictive person", but I think that's far broader than I should have said. I think that sentence would more fairly read "capable of being a mean, vindictive person".