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Get. Out. of. china. Or be ruled by the authoritarianism of the CCP

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Stop. Buying. Stuff. Made. In. China.

Or does it not apply when it inconvenience you?

Stop. Buying. Stuff. Made. In. China.

Easy to say when you're bloviating on the internet. Hard to do in real life. I know, because I try.

I end up buying a good amount of vintage stuff to keep from supporting China. But there are a lot of things that aren't available at any price where I live that aren't made in China.

I went through this a couple of years ago looking for a toaster. The only non-Chinese option available where I live was $900.

Maybe that toaster is a good metaphor. Lots of people are willing to buy domestic if it's quality and costs a little more. It's not inconceivable to make a US$100 toaster outside of Asia.

> Stop. Buying. Stuff. Made. In. China.

This isn't possible to follow on the individual level, even if you wanted to. Those 'Made in America' labels on product boxes aren't even accurate either, the parts can be built in China but assembled here, and still have that american label attached.

Not sure why purism is implied in the answer here. If anything, sentiments like these are akin to "reducing your carbon footprint" by taking more "environmentally conscious measures". Same language, same sentiment. While no one can reduce their carbon footprint to 0 for an extended period of time, the act of _trying_ to can prove real results when performed en masse.

Yeah, trying to avoid buying things with any components or work, or even most of the components from China is basically impossible.

Still, it is sometimes possible to find alternatives that put proportionally more work and production into products outside China. I try to buy these things when I can, even when inevitably the materials or components come from China. Better than all the dollars going there, I figure...

I think that was his point.

Feeling depressed? Just. be. happy.

Have you missed the last decade where companies from all around the globe do this exact thing all the time because gathering your information is their business?

Google and Facebook get caught doing it constantly. Just this week a lawsuit against Google was given the green light for gathering data when they were not supposed to. And isn't Facebook currently trying to illegally merge WhatsApp and Facebook data? Didn't the last US president complain about the EU stepping in to protect their citizens about this? Don't pretend this is some "evil China" problem.

While I'm not a fan of the data gathering done by Google and Facebook, the magnitude of tracking done by China are far, far greater.

Do you have any metrics or other proof to verify this statement?

I read this book:

We Have Been Harmonized: Life in China's Surveillance State - Kai Strittmatter (Author)

https://bookshop.org/books/we-have-been-harmonized-life-in-c...

"China's new drive for repression is being underpinned by unpre-cedented advances in technology: facial and voice recognition, GPS tracking, supercomputer databases, intercepted cell phone conver-sations, the monitoring of app use, and millions of high-resolution security cameras make it nearly impossible for a Chinese citizen to hide anything from authorities. Commercial transactions, including food deliveries and online purchases, are fed into vast databases, along with everything from biometric information to social media activities to methods of birth control. Cameras (so advanced that they can locate a single person within a stadium crowd of 60,000) scan for faces and walking patterns to track each individual's movement."

Does pretty much every major newspaper around the world count?

That's according to "I know China evil" or is this based on anything? We know that China was playing catch-up when Snowden leaked his stuff so they might have caught up. Can you link the corresponding leaks? I'd love to read some of the Chinese ones because the most recent big things I could find were Snowden leaks.

Playing the Snowden card doesn't invalidate what China is doing.

What the U.S. was doing was bad. What China is doing is also bad. They can both be bad.

Yea but OP's statement that we're all responding to is "Get. Out. of. china. Or be ruled by the authoritarianism of the CCP"

I have read a number of news articles and the book "We Have Been Harmonized" https://bookshop.org/books/we-have-been-harmonized-life-in-c...

Is this enough for me to say "I Know China evil"?

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