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Absolutely. I see really hard to fathom log from fellows who scream "There is no Democracy in America!," and then decide to run to China.
Never met such personally, but I know such are all around the tech industry here. Chinese medias are exhilariating about them day, and night.
They are your new Earl Browders, and Zara Witkins. Not poor people, not unpriveleged people, not marginalised people, who go bark at America, and its system, while making tons of money in China very much thanks to their priveleged status, and opportunities America gave them.
Are people actually saying this today?
I mean, I was discussing with one guy who claimed the corona dictatorship is so bad, he rather goes to north corea. But he didn't go and I stopped wasting time arguing with such people. But this person for instance would have qualifed as mentally ill and drug abuser. Not a normal person.
So what normal person is saying this today? Or is this a straw man?
Because what I don't like in this debate, when you cannot "bark at america and its system", because china is worse. They clearly are. But this does not negate valid criticism of the US hegemony.
Not normal persons, but people in the tech community who quietly cynically sympathise with fascist ideology, and some more or less actively working as apologists.
So block any trade with china?
What sort of question is this?
What you suggest sounds nice in principle, but it would devastate the Chinese economy and most Western economies too. Sometimes, there is no good choice, no principled stand that doesn't make the world worse. With China, we have to choose between bad outcomes and very bad outcomes.
That expansion is fueled by trade. So even if you're right that refusing to trade with China would not improve the life of the average Chinese person, it might improve the lives of people near China.
Apart from that, how about blocking trade with countries, that do attack other countries, based on caught lies and propaganda? And various other black things?
How would that help?
Basically the same when Germany would now be ruled by the Nazi party, and you would claim they didn't really do anything bad.
Also, how many wars did communist china started, compared to the US?
China's very prolific in using soldiers, to kill people, in the national interest. Similarly, the US and China both engage in large scale violence to promote their culture. A difference is that China's actions are performed within their borders (more or less) and are not as highly publicized.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_China, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong, etc
But like you said, the US is maybe using soldiers to kill in national interest, too. And ethnic issues? How about black lifes matter?
But yes, the very big difference is, that in the US there can be a open discussion about, with potential political implications - while in china state cencorship is build in and the one party rule is not to be questioned.
First of all, either you say China is worse than Germany, or PRC is worse than the Nazi regime.
And to answer that question, yes, Mao killed way more people than Hitler.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogen...
I claim trade embargos on countries that are not nice, are not helpful. As there are not many "nice" countries out there. Only a couple of small ones, come to my mind.
Framing "the great leap forward" as murder qualifies as propaganda in my book.
It was indeed a horrible, human life neglecting catastrophic event, conducted by fanatic extremists imposing their ideology on others. Or rather a series of it. In effect manslaughter on mass scale - yes. But you cannot compare that in honesty to the holocaust - where with gas chambers the clear intention was to murder an entire race.
Such framing is not helping anything, definitely not with communication.
And about the list of chinas wars ... did you actually compare that to
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_mi...
?
So if you actually want that - maybe do so based on clear criterias. Now what whould those criterias be?
- funding and supporting of terrorism?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
Involvement in overthrown democratic elected governemnts?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in...
use of Torture?
etc.
If you try to make things simple, do so consequently and see how that works out. Usually not too well.
Why do you think China will pay for anything ? If a country is powerful enought, it will get away with anti democratic behavior without any consequences.
Today nobody can oppose china. They have more population, provide the entire world with most products and have the nuclear weapon.
They will keep doing what they want, and people will fake outrage and do nothing. In fact, US companies will keep complying with their abusive requests, like censorship, to not lose the market. CEO will pretend to care on twitter and keep it up.
After all, did we stopped buying phones and clothes from china when we learned they were made by child slaves ? We didn't. We can't even care as individuals, I don't see how our systems, which are groups of individuals, would bother when we dont.
On the contrary, it paid about $3 trillion, depending on whose estimates you believe.