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Actual engineers still use it. Not the ones we started calling engineers because they know a bit of Linux and kubernetes.

I actually saw a kid a few years ago with a huge UML book, a student at the local uni. Being self-taught I had no idea what it was so I had to look it up. I can't even come close to working with those actual engineers, I just mess around in Bash and automate stuff you can learn for free using open source.

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Not sure why you included the necessary gate-keeping. If you do the same things engineers do, you are an engineer. You may not be a good one, but you still count.

> I can't even come close to working with those actual engineers,

Then how do you know they still use UML if you've never been around them?

The term engineer means different things in different parts of the world I guess.

>If you do the same things engineers do, you are an engineer

A very American perspective!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Council_of_Profession...

OP said engineer, not licensed engineer :)

The Canadian perspective is that all engineers are licensed engineers. An unlicensed engineer is illegal

I kind of wish software would just adopt 'developer' worldwide.

I would not love to work with you. That's for sure. I'm 24 years old, one of "those they started calling engineers because they know a bit of linux".

But people don't call us engineers just because we know a bit of linux. It's mainly because we solve problems, just as well as you do.

Uh just to be clear, I am one of those devops engineers who taught themselves.

I have a friend who works at Saab engineering and knows UML. He studied for 7 years at uni, I dropped out of 10th grade.

There's a huge difference and yet people call me an engineer in certain contexts.

I've never seen anybody using UML in Amazon, despite its culture for documentation, charts, metrics and diagrams.

I see bits and pieces of things that can be considered UML -- sequence diagrams, data models, the odd class diagrams and the like

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