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The US has a long history of abuses and orchestrated false flag attacks on Cuba. See Operation Northwoods [0] and Cubana de Aviación Flight 455 [1]. Somewhat ironically, the US illegally transmits EM radiation to the island in the form of a propaganda-heavy radio station known as Radio Martí. [2]

I ask you to please consider these historical events before deciding that Cuba has zapped people’s brains using targeted microwave beams.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubana_de_Aviación_Flight_455

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_y_Televisión_Mart%C3%AD#...

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Besides, 30 years of domestic and foreign intelligence, and they still have no idea who and how does this weird microwave attacks? I'm a bit incredulous.

That dates a bit.

I find it hard to believe the embassy wouldn’t detect a microwave attack given that they probably monitor the whole spectrum.

Depending on the frequency radio waves can have extremely narrow beams. If an antenna is not literally in the path of the beam it can't detect it. Microwaves happen to be readily formed into tight beams. If an embassy had a monitoring system a microwave brain cooker beam might have just looked like a splash of static if it was detected at all. Multiple beams would likely be used so only their focal point (someone's head) would feel the full effect and so monitoring would be even less likely to detect such beams.

You can have two of the following three.

Small size (less than thirty meters), low scatter, and power.

If you're going to have a powerful microwave brain frying system radiating over a 50m^2 area there is no way you're not going to light up the neighborhood in EM. Just can't happen, sorry.

I don't know why you think a brain frying system needs to operate over a 50m^2 area or why you think it needs to be small. Buildings with windows exist as do building across from those windowed buildings.

Maybe some day someone will invent phased array antennas and you'll be able to direct narrow beam emissions without having to physically move the antenna. I can dream I guess.

Phased array antennas have very high scatter compared to classical antennas of a similar size, Because they scatter in lobes.

50m^2 is quite small. There is no reasonable way of knowing where your target will be across a wall.

But even if you made it only 5m^2 you'd still be dumping off-axis like a 100w omnidirectional antenna at the very best.

You are flooding this post with with multiple threads of innuendo and conspiracy theory - this syndrome is documented in dozens of officials in multiple governments at multiple levels. It has been studied by independent researchers, medical professionals, contractors etc. This has none of the hallmarks of a false flag operation, which in this case would require conspiracy on a massive scale. The US/Canada do not need conspiracy to accomplish any of their strategic goals with respect to Cuba.

There’s no innuendo or conspiracy. Everything I’ve mentioned is supported by fact.

People believing microwaves are frying brains might want to don their tin foils hats for adequate protection.

>The US has a long history of abuses and orchestrated false flag attacks on Cuba

To support this, you cite a proposed US operation (not a real one), a bombing carried out by cuban terrorists and a radio station?

> we only began hearing reports when Trump was in office

Then you claim that multiple governments, dozens of victims and their families, medical professionals, independent boards, contractors, etc etc have all colluded with the former trump administration to invent havana syndrome? (The exact cause for which nobody has claimed definitively)

> immediate political actions were taken against Cuban diplomats who were likely working to lift the embargo

All this so they could push back against the embargo which they could do without the cover of a massive conspiracy?

What about what you are saying isn’t innuendo or conspiracy theory?

I’m saying there’s no evidence implicating Cuba in the incidents, that they are an “attack,” or that they involved microwaves. Quite frankly, nobody knows what caused the suspected injuries.

> Then you claim that multiple governments, dozens of victims and their families, medical professionals, independent boards, contractors, etc etc have all colluded with the former trump administration to invent havana syndrome? (The exact cause for which nobody has claimed definitively)

You are putting these words in my mouth. I never suggested that anyone is colluding or conspiring about this. However, it is patently obvious that the US is making politically-motivated conclusions that Cuba is to blame, with a lack of evidence.

Also from Wikipedia:

> After the incident was made public, the Cuban Foreign Minister accused the U.S. of lying about the incident and denied Cuban involvement in the health problems experienced by diplomats or knowledge of their cause. The Cuban government offered to cooperate with the U.S. in an investigation of the incidents.

> The “microwave attack” story came out in mid-2017 when Trump was in office. Travel restrictions came back and foreign relations languished. It’s trivially easy to blame a nation state for an attack, and then use it as excuse to end political support, agreements, or funding.

> it is patently obvious that the US is making politically-motivated conclusions that Cuba is to blame

That is called innuendo friend, and right here you are asserting a conspiracy.

Especially considering that the US and Canadian governments have not officially identified causes or those responsible (though that has not stopped officials and health professionals from speculating).

The claim is that the attacks also occurred in Russia, China, and other undisclosed locations.

While that may or may not be true, it is being called “Havana syndrome,” and the following words are from Donald Trump:

> I do believe Cuba's responsible. I do believe that. And it's a very unusual attack, as you know. But I do believe Cuba is responsible. [0]

Calling this unsubstantiated illness “Havana syndrome” is arguably as inaccurate and xenophobic as calling coronavirus the “China virus” or “Wuhan flu.” [1]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havana_syndrome#Impact_on_Amer...

[1] https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/calling-covid-19-the-...

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