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May I ask, is traveling through a bumper to bumper traffic a frequent occurrence for you? If so, are there options for you to avoid it (e.g. change commuting times, work from home, walk, bike, or use public transportation)? If also yes, why do you tolerate it?

Personally I see bumper to bumper traffic maybe 3 or 4 times a year (when driving home from a vacation or being forced to a doctor’s appointment during rush hour). And I honestly don’t get why anyone would subjugate them self to this kind of traffic as part of their daily commute.

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Consider yourself very lucky. Not everyone has the luxury of working from home, choosing their working hours or living close to public transit or within walking/biking distance from their job (in many areas, the farther you get away from city centers, the cheaper the real estate generally is).

In the NYC area, bumper to bumper traffic is common. It can be caused by an accident or construction that blocks one or more lanes, cars merging on to an already congested highway, etc. These conditions frequently happen even outside of rush hour.

> I honestly don’t get why anyone would subjugate them self to this kind of traffic as part of their daily commute.

You may have trouble understanding it, but empirically a huge number of people see this extremely regularly, if not daily.

It's not even necessarily a feature of horrifically long commutes. For one example, lots of places that have basically ok traffic have bottlenecks at bridges, you may be stop and go for a little while every day getting across that.

"Nobody drives that route at that time; it's too crowded."

Lot's of people have to be at particular places at particular times. Hence, the rush hour.

Try living in New York City, the whole tristate, not just Manhattan. 3 to 4 times a year is laughable. Try 30 to 40 times a year if you take the Belt Parkway.

I used to live in LA where Santa Monica Blvd was always backed up. I doubt LA traffic has gotten better either.

I'm surprised by your insolence with regard to how shitty traffic circumstances are in big cities. Simply changing one's commuting times doesn't failsafe the issue.

30-40 times a year if you own a car and drive it regularly. That's why > 50% of households in NYC don't own a car.

Large parts of NYC (much of the outer boroughs) are not near the subway, and not within walking distance of a supermarket (especially if you're carrying groceries for an entire family). Millions of people live there because they can't afford Manhattan rents, especially for a family-sized apartment.

Also, transit lines tend to connect well to mid-Manhattan but poorly between other locations. So if you live in Queens and work in Brooklyn, good luck getting to work reliably by public transportation. (Before you object to that arrangement, consider: If you own a house and have kids in school, you're not necessarily going to uproot your family and move just because your new job is further from home.)

Thus, many ordinary New Yorkers rely on cars to commute to work.

Some parts of Brooklyn are much nicer than the ratnest known as Manhattan. Manhattan is so overcrowded. It's a bad place to raise a family. Someone can literally shoot or stab you in broad daylight and easily get away with it. All they have to do is merge into the crowds of pedestrians. Then perhaps they descend into one of the many subway lines, conveniently escaping, scot-free.

when first living in NYC I had a station wagon, previously gifted to me. Not being from the area I couldn't believe there wasn't a decent supermarket. I had another friend out in Long Island near one. I got several Manhattanite friends to come along, none having ever driven. The experience was hilarious, all around. From the traffic, the experience of a wallowing beast of a Pontiac wagon on the LIE, and then the best part, one guy who'd literally NEVER left the City absolutely MARVELED at the selections as the store. Notable quotes being "I've only seen this brand on TV!" and "How could anyone EVER need a TWO-GALLON SIZE tub of laundry detergent?"

I did a quick google map survey and found that it can take about an hour to commute on public transit between a residential area in Queens and to a commercial area in Brooklyn[1]. Not ideal until you see that driving the same route takes about 40 min. So not a huge different and definitely passes as an alternative to avoid the risk of stop-and-go traffic jams.

If you need to drive to the supermarket you should have the option of choosing a time and route with minimal risk of traffic jams. I find it hard to belief that many people are frequently hitting bumper to bumper traffics on their way to or from the supermarket. Occupationally yes, but frequently no.

1: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/84-25+168th+Pl,+Jamaica,+NY+...

82.2% of Staten Island own at least one vehicle. Averages aren't the greatest summary statistics..

The population of the tristate is nearly 20 million. Even a tenth of that is a lot of cars on the road.

This question was specifically addressed to those that have the option of avoiding it and still don’t. I was under the impression that there were several options of escaping bumper to bumper traffic on your daily commute in the New York City area.

In fact I’ve often heard people from that area complain more often about lack of parking near their commuter rail station. Which indicates that people do rather tolerate circling the parking lot in their park-and-ride rather then risking stop-and-go traffic jams.

What do you mean by "have the option?" There is not an option to avoid the random traffic bottlenecks causes by construction, accidents, road closures, and just generally poor infrastructures and even worse drivers. The traffic lights have also been increased in both count and magnitude to induce even more delay. The speed limits have been lowered. The road conditions are abysmal, potholes, cracks, and unevenness abound. You know nothing Jon Snow.

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