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Well, Lisbon is not only one, but pretty much all of progressive liberal West been in bed with enemies at some point for "strategic" reasons (which usually means cash, and other treats.)

France deports Russians with protected refugee status upon KGB requests in exchange for Russia staying away from them in Africa

Poland plays double games with Belorussian opposition, promising assisting in smuggling weapons, and then handing them over to Lukasenka in exchange for jailed Polish citizens

Austria happily trades political refugees for basically everything now

Italy has a record as an only country to secretly, extralegally, abduct, jail, and then hand over completely uninvolved family of a political activist not to some evil empire, but to the complete joke regime of Kazakhstan in exchange for god knows what, but assumedly plain wire transfer of cash to the chief of SISMI, for which he was forced to later resign. https://www.unionedirittiumani.it/litalia-riconosce-lo-statu...

Denmark previously deported Syrian political refugees "by mistake" upon direct requests from Damascus, and now wants to deport them officially

Germany's BND was uncomfortably close with Russia since Primakov's first government, was caught doing basically the same as Portugal, in exchange for some dubious "intelligence collaboration," but it looks like they may have found a scapegoat: https://www.dw.com/en/trial-opens-against-german-intelligenc...

UK, US... comments redundant.

> Germany's BND was caught doing basically the same as Portugal, in exchange for some dubious "intelligence collaboration," but they found scapegoat: https://www.dw.com/en/trial-opens-against-german-intelligenc...

I was taking your claims somewhat seriously until you massively misrepresented the very case for which you even provide an article. Now I guess all of what you are saying is either massive misrepresentation or plain false.

The guy was passing info about German agents to the US, not about foreigners/dissidents, and is facing life in prison for it. Embarrassing to betray your country and job for €1600/month. But it would be pretty odd if the German intelligence had a strategy of passing info about its own agents to the US.

I conclude that PT is likely an exception and the rest above probably made up conspiracy theories.

The one about Poland is false too. Comments like this without sources are useless

Well, not citizens, but ethnic Poles https://apnews.com/article/belarus-europe-poland-race-and-et...

https://notesfrompoland.com/2021/05/20/concern-over-four-eth...

https://www.ft.com/content/cfc93283-32b9-4fa7-a769-44df294e7...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54090389

The information on betrayed weapon transfer comes from Telegram channels of Belarus opposition I frequent. I, on record, wrote about it 2 months ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26887403 Now it became clear for what Poland sold them out for.

Nothing in your links supports your claims. The articles don't say anything about the supposed prisoner exchange.

What do you think they exchanged them for then? Do you think Belarus went, and released Poles out of its good will out of a sudden?

it's more likely that the whole story was invented by Belarus KGB in order to justify repressions against politically active citizens.

The one about Austria also borders between plain false and gross misrepresentation of reality.

A list of deported dissidents for you:

Tamaev Hasan - social activist from Gudermes

Malik Tayipov - niece of Gen. Dudayev who was born in Europe, and never been outside of it, on a "terrorism" charge

Daniel Mamaev - social activist who lived in Austria for most of his adult life

Rasambek Isayev - journalist https://oe1.orf.at/artikel/324664/Tschetschene-abgeschoben-v...

Murad Aslamkhanov - dissident, blogger https://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.eu/articles/52168/

Dozens more

It seems all of those were chechens? At least the ones you linked to were denied asylum seekers, one of them seemingly being convicted for illegal posession of firearms before getting returned. This is due to the anti immigrant stance of the government, it has nothing to do with aiding dictators. No idea who the others are, there is literally zero info on them. By that standard, everyone europe ever sent back to areas like the middle east falls into the same category. This is very different from spying on or handing over your own citizens to these regimes.

You must have access to very special intel. Because I have never heard of these political refugee that France deported. I would to read some more info about it if it exist. I personally know a russian political refugee. Once the political refugee statute acquired you're basically a French citizen so there is NO WAY you 'll be deported.

It's not very hard to google it, I guess it's this case: https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/eur46/3999/2021/en/

And I think there were at least a dozen before to him.

Any non chechens? Because recent beheading of french teacher definitely could play a certain role in that decision.

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