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If your post calls for destroying Israel, then it deserves to be removed.

You might not know, but hardline Sunni Muslims are very racist towards Jews. They regularly quote verses from the Quran and Hadiths where Jews are incarnations of satans and should not be tolerated.

They also regularly quote anti-non Muslim quotes in social media calling them Kafirs.

If you live near a significant population of hardliner Sunni Muslims, you'd know this.

Bengali social media is filled with such rhetoric. There were open celebration of the French teacher getting beheaded for the Muhammad cartoon. Seeking the death of all Jews is very common.

Such posts deserve to be removed.

You call for death of an entire ethnicity, that is valid reason of posts getting removed.

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If you continue to post religious/racial/whatever flamewar comments to HN, we will ban you. You've done it repeatedly and it is not what this site is for—quite the opposite. No more of this please.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: also, please stop creating multiple accounts.

Edit 2: actually, you've been breaking the site guidelines enough that I've banned your account. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27645941.

> If your post calls for destroying Israel, then it deserves to be removed.

There are tons of posts from Americans talking about wiping various countries off the map. Should those posts also be removed? Should those users be banned?

Yes.

If they are racially motivated, and shows hatred towards a whole ethinicity and people, yes, the posts should be removed and the users banned after repeat violations.

Sounds like you've set a system up full of semantic issues. For example, saying "Death to Israel" is in pretty clear violation of this rule.

But what about "Turn Iraq into a glass parking lot"? Someone could argue that they aren't targeting a "whole ethnicity" because Iraq is simply one of many Arab/Muslim-majority nations - and not even in the top 3 most populous Arab countries. After all, the person didn't say "Kill every Muslim" nor did they say "Bomb all Muslim countries" -- they just stated one of MANY countries that happens to be majority Muslim.

No I am not one of those.

If somebody says Turn Iraq into a glass parking lot, they should be banned after repeat violations, and their post should be removed.

So you're saying that the posts should be removed not because of what they say but because of their motives. And who decides what are the posts motives? You, of course.

Israel is running a slow-motion ethnic cleansing campaign against Palestinians, practices apartheid, and violates international law by building settlements on occupied territories... but you say that the reason Palestinians hate Israelis is because of their race? Yeah, sure.

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You did more than anyone else to turn this thread into a flamewar hell. Moreover, this isn't the only time recently that you've broken the site guidelines with flamewar comments and attacking other users (e.g https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27590644).

If it were just the one thread, I'd let you off with a warning, but this is egregious (and it seems you've done this with other accounts in the past, too). Therefore I've banned this account.

If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Edit: just in case anyone is worried about it: when we ban accounts in politically contentious threads, it's not because we secretly disagree with the politics of the banned account. Our goal is simply to enforce the site guidelines and prevent HN from turning into a flamewar hell, the end state of which would be scorched earth (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...). The history of moderation comments here—not that anyone would want to slog through it—contains plenty of examples of HN users getting banned from every possible political angle.

> Race is a very important component on Paletinians hating Jews.

This is an entirely irrelevant, even ridiculous, argument, given the present situation. Which is that there is a very concrete and justified reason for Palestinians to hate Israel, and that's because Israel is oppressing them in a way that no people would ever tolerate and that would be classified and prosecuted as a crime if the perpetrators were any others than the West's darlings.

By the way, a friend of mine is a Palestinian from the West Bank who was subject to Israeli persecution, and had in the end to flee elsewhere. She is Christian, as has been her family since time immemorial. I can assure you she heartily hates Israel nonetheless. (10% of Palestinians were Christians, that's something Israel prefers to gloss over, since any empathy from the Christian west is dangerous).

You want to talk about the atavic, religious hatred that Palestinians harbour for Jews? Cool, then remove all the actual, justifiable reasons for that hatred and after that, if there's any left, we can talk about it.

You've entirely ignored the thrust of the parents argument.

I'd also point out that from the perspective of a secular westerner, even if one group is calling for the genocide of the other regularly; is the other group, which is actually committing genocide regularly, able to be held up as morally superior in any way? Is that group (Israeli Zionists) actually worth defending at all?

You have to remember that for the vast majority of the world, neither religious viewpoint holds much weight; only the globally agreed common ethics.

Is it not okay to ask for a partial reconstruction? Israel occupies land that is internationally recognised as not being Israel's. Demanding restitution, even occupation to enforce a peace. They're all extremely difficult ideas if you're Israeli, but perhaps required to start to put a broken situation right.

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