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I can't comment on parent due to flag, I'm studying this for my wife and the relationship to autoimmune issues.

It's not just ruminant, but ruminant meat eating appropriate food. Grass fed beef versus grain fed is fascinating. Furthermore, how we raise ruminants is important for the ecosystem. When I tried carnivore diet, I can attest that the benefits are real but so is the hungering addiction from processed foods. I'm currently detaching myself from sugar which is... hard.

I can't wait for properly controlled studies on this subject. There is great anecdotal evidence https://benjamindavidsteele.wordpress.com/2020/01/10/multipl... which warrants proper studies.

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I don’t see a flag… people flag my comments because they are offended by eating meat. It’s fucking unbelievable. Especially if I’m right and it’s an important medical advancement.

Yes, grass fed is necessary because of the omega 3 to 6 ratio. This is even more important if you are targeting autoimmune. And don’t sleep on the organs, I have found that those are important to immune-tangential things as well.

Another note: you don’t get dehydrated because of ketosis and glycolysis. You get dehydrated because you stop making insulin, insulin tells your body to hold on to water. The only other thing that does that is sodium. Not potassium, sodium. On this diet you are replacing insulin with sodium. Make sure to have very high fat and at least 5 grams of sodium chloride per day.

The advice you are giving is interesting but irresponsible considering how different peoples' digestive systems are. I would downvote your original comment for that and for being off topic, but I view the downvote as a way of organizing comments. Again, this is interesting, but you are pitching a foot-gun to people.

> The advice you are giving is interesting but irresponsible considering how different peoples' digestive systems are

This is fair, but you have to admit the same statement applies to evangelical vegans.

Definitely. Osteoporosis is no joke. I just didn't see any of those comments. And gah, no one likes hearing someone yell murderer at a dude eating a sandwhich. It just isn't nice. The animal is already dead, let it become sustenance. But anyways, take your gut health seriously. It affects your personality, like some other commenters have mentioned.

It isn’t irresponsible. Nobody is going to hurt themselves with a carnivore diet. I have tested it on myself so how could I be irresponsible for getting the word out about something I have done to my own body?

Thanks for testing it first. Using an analogy, your gut may be an apple and while some other people have oranges.

My hunch is that you could push that analogy further with something more hyperbolic - the gut is fascinating.

Grass fed is not necessary. Please check out "Sacred Cow" (https://www.sacredcow.info/book) for the latest research.

I (and many others) agree with your recommendation on sodium.

Can you give a quick summary of why grass fed is not necessary. I can imagine a spectrum from grass fed pasture all the way to specialized diets with hay and grain, but this feels like an in-between to all corn fed beef.

There are a handful of factors involved, so I will just share the conclusion, which also admits that "more research is needed":

"We looked for _any_ way to spin the nutrition argument in favor of grass-fed meat, but the actual data are fairly easy to verify. If we whitewashed this for a more palatable narrative, the obvious flaw in that position might cast doubt on everything else we are suggesting.

We realize that this is a remarkably unpopular position. But, [...], an ethical clinician would never tell a patient that they should eat only organic vegetables or no vegetables at all. We have the same position on meat. For those who simply don’t have access to grass-fed beef, we still feel red meat in general is an important, nutrient-dense food for humans."

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