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No one is forcing users to use Google or FB. They can do traditional email signup

That is definitely not true for every app. There was never any clause in the App Store guidelines that you must provide traditional email signup. At least this way, the social-only apps will be forced to provide you a more privacy-preserving alternative, and for ones that don't use social logins anyway, nothing changes.

Of course, my comment was related to the app of the post Groups specifically

Which used to offer both social sign-up (FB and Google) and a traditional email sign-up option

You probably don't know that in this case, Groups was also forced to include AppleID or risk being removed from the App Store

Removing all social logins from this point to ensure compliance would have definitely affected all users who had originally signed in with FB/Google, way before AppleID ever existed

>Removing all social logins from this point to ensure compliance would have definitely affected all users who had originally signed in with FB/Google, way before AppleID ever existed

Yet it would have been more consistent! What is the point of going to war against Apple while embracing the private-data-broker model at the same time?

Just send a warning e-mail requiring password change because you decided to remove all social login as a protest.

And provide a password reset mechanism for formerly social-login users that haven't defined a password in time.

That would have been a true act of resistance.

Amen

No one is forcing users to use Sign in with Apple either.

But Apple is forcing devs to include Apple ID and that's what's wrong here. They could have made it optional. Given how Apple users can be it likely would have ended up being in demand and devs would have included it out of their free will

Well it is optional if you only have email sign up..

There is basically no benefit to app developer in including it. It is more work, and you may get only an anonymised address. However, there is massive benefit to actual users.

Apple decided to prioritise users over developers here.

Trust me, I say this as a developer, if there is any indication that I am losing out on users because I don't have Apple ID, I will make sure to add it asap. That is pretty much the reason why I first included FB and Google. I first only had Google, then some people aksed for FB. The natural course would have been that then some other guys ask for Apple and I add it. But Apple decided to abuse its position and force it on us developers

Doesn't really matter what you would have done. It matters what the entire ecosystem would have.

As a user, I am very satisfied that Apple made this a requirement.

As a developer, I just implemented it without throwing a tantrum.

Going by this rationale, are you going to add Apple ID to your website when users request it?

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