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memoryholing episodes == ?

Spotify didn't bring over the old episodes with people like Alex Jones, Gavin McInnes, and Milo Yiannopoulos.

> “There were a few episodes they didn’t want on their platform,” Rogan said, per DMN. “And I was like, ‘OK, I don’t care.'” https://www.thewrap.com/spotify-deletes-joe-rogan-podcast-ep...

Kinda curious, do fans .. .care about that?

I guess some do but I don't think I ever listen to past podcasts that I've already listened to...

They don't burn books, they just remove them. Those episodes happened, and removing them is a form of gaslighting. If they find the content objectionable then putting a disclaimer, if it is objectionable enough then removing the entire series from the platform could be an option, but it is lost history. In this case the artist doesn't care, and probably is happy to sweep those episodes under the rug. It is like how Disney wishes they hadn't made "Song of the South".

Aren't they still available on YouTube / elsewhere?

The problem, as with every memory-holed episode ever, is that people watching/listening for the first time (or say they only use X platform to consume whatever) will never know they existed.

In other words, lying by omission is still lying.

Edit to add- just to show how unbelievably petty the reasoning can be- Tyler Perry threw a bitch-fit about an episode of Boondocks and had it pulled (as was an episode ripping on BET when they screamed). For something that was pure satire and a cartoon they not only had it pulled from airing, they now no longer list the episodes at all on Hulu/HBOMax, pretending they never existed at all, even re-numbering the episodes.

All because of Tyler Perry/Some BET exec's ego? GTFO.

We have Holocaust deniers while still having people alive that survived it. We have people constantly denying proven, recent history and some people think it's ok to censor shit and pretend it never happened and it'll be all roses and sunshine.

That seems strange though. YouTube isn't a library where I expect them to host anything uploaded forever under any circumstances.

That isn't what we are speaking about here. If youtube buys the rights to a show and uploads 'their version' of it with episodes missing and re-numbered so no one will notice any are missing, they are controlling a narrative.

They should at least have a disclaimer about the missing episodes.

This isn't some new idea here.

All of the old ones are on youtube anyways, so I would guess not. e.g. an alex jones one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdVso9FSkmE

I'm not particularly a "fan", but I do enjoy listening to some JRE episodes when he has interesting guests like Andrew Huberman. I don't care about losing access to old podcasts any more than I care about Netflix pulling certain movies. That's just the reality of all streaming services. Content gets removed all the time for all sorts of reasons. If you want to maintain access to something then you'll have to make a local copy on hardware you own.

It leads to that content never being produced. It’s a form of censorship.

I for example like to hear everything from the beginning of the pandemics.. it is quite interesting to see now how wrong/right the experts were.

If you're recommending someone should listen to a previous episode you might be interested that it is avaialable or not.

> Kinda curious, do fans .. .care about that?

Beyond bad faith concern trolling, I suspect not.

Shame. Not to condone these people, but since getting along with everyone was Joe Rogan's thing, I think they should've embraced it. But Joe was most likely not glad to preserve that part of his career either, otherwise I assume he would protest.

$100 million is a lot of incentive to not protest. The line between actually important and kinda important gets really well defined when you throw that much money on the table.

I'm guessing this:

> A memory hole is any mechanism for the deliberate alteration or disappearance of inconvenient or embarrassing documents, photographs, transcripts or other records, such as from a website or other archive, particularly as part of an attempt to give the impression that something never happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hole

Memory hole is from 1984. It is where they put papers to be incinerated and forgotten. Spotify removed a few Joe Rogan episodes IIRC.

I believe GP is refering to the fact that Spotify has removed episodes from Joe Rogan's back catalog that have been deemed controversial [0].

[0] https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-rogan-experience-podcast...

Removing certain old episodes from the catalogue (as if they never existed, so they become forgotten)

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