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> In the process of building Phoenix, I believe we've hit on some new ideas that will change the way we think about building applications in much the same way Rails did for CRUD apps.

I think that's the issue with Phoenix. An actual opinatred vision like the Rails one came as an afterthought.

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That’s a little ironic since, in a real sense, Rails itself came as an afterthought, not a fully formed vision. DHH built Basecamp without a framework, and then refactored a lot and extracted the core of what he’d happened to build into a very general reusable framework. You could criticize Phoenix for not having the same pedigree I suppose, of being first and foremost a product for getting things done, and only a framework as a secondary decision, but saying rails started with an opinionated vision and Phoenix didn’t is a bit funny, or like the pot calling the kettle a water retaining vessel.

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