It doesn't help that America has bastardized the meaning of Libertarian to mean pro-Capitalist neo-liberal whilst the original meaning (and today's meaning in the rest of the world) is equivalent to anarchism or Libertarian Socialism.
Can we please take the rhetoric back to reddit.
Not the OP and I may be misunderstanding the point of this. But don't we need some common definitions/clarification on usage in order to discuss things?