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Because I’ve read a ton of her material, and I work for Apple so I have some idea of what it’s like internally (although it’s a big company and many experiences are different). I also don’t have that context of working with her so I can look at that text message thread and easily imagine the problem is her affect and not some gender issue. She’s trying to provide absolute proof, but it’s very one sided and inconclusive by itself. Which just goes to show how she twists everything going on to be a great plot of the world against her. I’ve known people like this, and they’re disasters.

Look at this thread and her twitter bio. She’s trying to wear victimhood on her sleeve as a primary identity. Why post this random thread rehashing everything you’ve already posted a million times and all the press you’ve tried to put out? She WANTS to be a giant victim. Remember we’re talking about being fired; no one physically abused her, no one poisoned her, etc. Yet you’d have to assume as much given she doesn’t want to move on with her life. If you read the commments she gets on twitter it’s clear she’s getting what she wants from them (encouragement and sympathy), but ultimately she’s shooting herself in the foot. Who would ever want to hire her again, or provide her housing (after her whole anti-apartment rant toxicity rant)?

If you work at Apple, what’s your take on the "Make Ashley's Life a Living Hell" radar?

https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1426014545202479108

Seems bad but I also have no context for this. She’s commented on the radar when it was created, so it’s not like it’s some hidden secret. I can see internally she also blacked out bits like the summary that are very strange edits as they’re not secrets at all… like indications that this is tagged literally as a joke task.

It easily could have been a joke rather than malicious… perhaps she had a ton of work to do and this radar was a tongue-in-cheek way of acknowledging that.

That’s the problem with these pieces of “proof” — when it’s one sided and completely devoid of commentary from the other people involved, it’s easy to spin a story one way or another.

In fact, looking at that and her editing choices only further confirms to me she’s grasping at straws and it’s not at all what it purports to be publicly.

The more I think about this the madder I get, because it discredits to me those who are actually getting abused and their ability to tell a story and be believed.

Let’s look at the facts with this:

1. She blacks out context and parts from the beginning that tag this as a joke task.

2. She comments on this right away, so it’s not hidden from her.

3. If you’re trying to abuse a co-worker, are you really going to do it not only with permanent record, tagged as a joke, but also comment “MUAHAHAHAHA”? Like some generic evil villain?

Notice she doesn’t give ANY context around this, who the people are, and what this could possibly be referring to. When you look at this with all the other “evidence” across her claims at Apple and beyond, she had negative credibility in my mind.

Keep in mind her job category (from what I can surmise about these people) is one that involves a ton of work and corralling cats. Apple is notorious for high ambitions which can stressfully lead to a lot of work, and the timing of this is around product announcements when people work their asses off. I just don’t see it.

How about she's making it her identity because she feels unheard and that the US justice system is so toothless that they've not done basic investigations after hundreds of complaints have come in?

America doesn't give a shit about corporate culture even when they're toxic and actually illegal. She has a full right to keep talking about it and keep bringing attention to it.

Your defense, even though you're just a basic employee, is pathetic and tone deaf. As a random employee you have absolutely zero idea of what's happening at the scale of a company like apple. Claiming otherwise is disengenous.

There needs to be a federal investigation of these claims at apple, and if found that she was lying then we could make claims like this.

I’m sure she’d be very happy to know that she can very extremely loud on Twitter and blogs and get people like yourself calling for federal investigation into her claims.

I also said nothing about my role; your attempts to discredit me are against HN guidelines, are assumptions on your behalf, irrelevant to the discussion, and are quite rude.

> Your defense, even though you're just a basic employee, is pathetic and tone deaf

Was this necessary?

Because it would affect my perception of your comment, I must ask, do you work at Apple, and are you the person, or closely related to the person this is about?

It was. You working at apple doesn't actually give you insight to what actually takes place at the multiple layers of internal abstractions.

Remember the loaded language of "nut case" and insinuating mental health problems is not OK.

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