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Not if they include a debunking. Right now we only have their word, which isn't worth much. Though that is a wonderful catch 22 they can use as excuse. We should be content to know only that the banned party was guilty. Of what, exactly, is not our concern.

Google broadly and secretly [1] defining hate speech, and removing based on that definition, is exactly the example you asked for: content removed for having the wrong politics. That they won't even tell you the exact politics, but leave you guessing, makes it worse, not better. What might be an entirely factual, dispassionate video, becomes in your mind a foaming-at-the-mouth murderous screed, because all you know about it is that Google (known for being straightforward and trustworthy) called it hate speech.

[1] We never get to find out what their interpretation of their stated rules is in practice, only who is guilty of breaking them, and only in the few cases that are high-profile enough for us to learn about.

They're on a list of splc's hate groups, and are a self-described white supremacist organization. This is pretty far from political differences (there are plenty of alt-right YouTubers, just not that promote a white ethnostate)

While I don't know how exactly the SPLC arrived at their categorization, the "self-described" part is false. The 3rd paragraph of their "about" page shows:

> We also believe that whites, like all racial groups, have legitimate interests that must be defended. The defense of those interests is white advocacy. We seek to advance only those interests that we recognize and would defend for all other racial groups. We seek no advantages as whites — only the expression of preferences for our own people and culture that are taken for granted by people of other races but denied to us.

Now this paragraph may be a lie, and the SPLC may be correct that they are hateful supremacists. But they're not self-described as such. Again, I welcome evidence supporting this, but I don't feel inclined to go through their website to find it.

The splc puts out their reasoning on their classifications,

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/grou...

I suppose if you want to nit pick, they don't self-identify as white supremecist, but openly promote the idea that whites are superior and deserve to dominate society.

> openly promote the idea that whites are superior and deserve to dominate society.

From what I could gather, the idea they're promoting is for whites to have a separate society, and not dominate anyone. But since they're so open about promoting, as you say, whites dominating others, you should have no trouble finding an example proving me wrong.

I didn't realize there were actual white nationalists on this site - that's what I get for not looking at comment histories.

I know I'm not going to convince you - but for others who aren't radicalized, I'll spell it out - the idea of a white ethnostate is a hateful, racist one. Promoting that idea means you're hateful and racist. Do not read American Renaissance.

Amren posts articles like this: https://www.amren.com/news/2008/08/race_and_psycho/ that the core argument is that we should kick blacks and Hispanics out of society because they're stupider than white people. Supporting this makes you a bad person. This is not just "political differences" - this is doesn't belong on any platform.

> the idea of a white ethnostate is a hateful, racist one.

Surely you mean any ethnostate is hateful and racist, not just a white one? Such as the hateful, racist states of Algeria, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Vietnam, Finland, Sierra Leone, Lithuania, and Turkey? All nearly homogeneous at the granularity where 'white' is a single group.

The hateful and racist part of this comes from where you why you think this is a good idea for America. Done with this thread though, enjoy being a miserable person.

Now what makes you think I'm miserable? Because white advocates in movies are portrayed as irrational and violent, filled with hate for everyone that's different, like in American History X?

Have you ever considered that movies and media might be deceiving you?

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