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> I was there a few years ago

> Imagine if such amazing tools could be used at actually ethical companies.

Congratulations. How long did it take you to realize things are, in fact, as bad as the "haters" (to use a favorite term of the FB inner circle) said they were?

On a more on-topic note, is entGo actually worth implementing as an ORM for Go? I've always been suspicious of most ORMs for all of the various reasons we all know about letting other people manage your database connections, in terms of performance/etc...

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I didn't leave due to the realization that the company was unethical, but there is a correlation there. I left because I got burnt out by the culture built around performance incentives. I didn't encounter anyone at the company who had inherently malicious or exploitative intent, but the culture drives the individual behaviors that in aggregate leads to all the harm caused by the company. That being said, everyone there, including myself should feel somewhat accountable, but it's really mostly on the leadership for having the power to change the culture but neglecting to do so.

> is entGo actually worth implementing as an ORM for Go

I can't speak to how valuable it would be when judged on its own. I just think that it currently does not and probably will not come close to delivering the same level of value as the FB Ent framework.

I appreciate this reply. The sentiment you’ve shared is the same that a lot of current/former Facebook employees have privately emailed / called / etc and told me. The interesting thing is, it’s a lot of the seriously talented engineers and designers who care about these things the most, so there is hope for our future in what all of you will do based on these bad experiences.

EntGo seems to be like it would be useful if used in combination with a bunch of other stuff that was built to take advantage of it, but that’s just my quick impression after looking through the docs. If entity modeling is your thing, I would be interested to know what you thought of Ecto in the Phoenix/Elixir ecosystem.

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