They don't. Sending a Police Riot control unit against a group of people throwing stones and molotovs does not qualify as being terrorized.
> accuses everyone that fights it as terrorists.
If they hurt bystanding civilians (and they do) or funnel money for it (and they do) there is nothing wrong with that.
> Maybe some are
They are, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and many more... not some and not maybe.
> please provide evidence for any terrorist accusations
They do.
Israel have problems. It should solve them. Hyperbolic discussion will never achieve it.
But sending an army unit with an order "break the village" which results in shock grenades being dropped into a cradle with the baby inside does qualify them as being terrorized.
Note: I'm Israeli and was working with people who got those orders and carried them out during their service.
It is also funny how often people forget why the riots start in the first place. So often it seems to be that the riots are precipitated by egregious abuse by settlers/army/police/Israeli policy. Abuse the people long enough and they will rage.
Did they find the original shooter, who "attacked" security vehicle?
Is it? The attempted murder of innocent people? Is that the sort of behaviour that should be accepted and tolerated? because it sounds like you are saying that.
In your opinion, what should a teenager do after witnessing extrajudicial execution of his relative by occupying army?
Solution is simple: end the occupation.
> which involves terrorists
Your terrorists are someone else's freedom fighters.
That is not an answer, might as well have just written "Free Palestine!"
I would be interested in hearing your real solution, instead of just repeating a slogan. Nobody has been able to figure it out for decades.
The moment we ditch colonial dreams and ideas of racial superiority (as a base for Zionism), there are two possible solutions: pull out settlements, pull out army or annex all the territories, give citizenship to all residents. In both cases, , start preparation for return of refugees and work out compensation (like Germany after WW2).
2) Searching google for "shock grenades on a girl israel" will show you first a Jewish Ultra-Orthodox girl getting hit around a corona protest last year:
https://twitter.com/almogbenzikri/status/1251004227956150273
So this is a police brutality issue, not a Palestine issue.
3) Based on your previous comments- "Hamas is an ally of Israel in Gaza" I'm thinking you are just out of the loop.
No, my colleague actually spent time in jail for military crimes.
> 2) Searching google for
You get what you search for.
> you are just out of the loop
Or, what is more probable, you are just pushing Hasbara.
"you are just pushing Hasbara."
I'm Israeli, and I have never met an Israeli who would say that phrase, Especially in english, using the hebrew word like that. Something doesn't add up.. Are you russian or israeli arab or something? You had work partners in magav and they told you they put a stun grenade in a baby stroller? This seems pretty weird..
Pretty disingenuous for you to try and present OP in such a way.
There is one thing I want to clarify though. Hasbara is Hebrew for “explaining” - so when Israelis or any Hebrew speaker say hasbara it literally means “explaining” their point of view. Now more often or not, Israelis and Hebrew speakers actually complain that “our governments Hasbara/explanation was garbage” or “wow, we did a really poor job explaining ourselves there”.
When you put it into that context, you need to understand from an Israeli/Hebrew speaker point of view “hasbara” is not a bad thing at all - it’s a necessity regardless of if you are pro or anti Israel.
Unfortunately people who don’t understand Hebrew have turned a common Hebrew term into a derogatory attack against any Israeli or pro Israeli individual and this extremely problematic for so many reasons I won’t get into now.
Regardless, every time you accuse someone of “hasbara” you are actually just accusing them of explaining themselves or their point of view and since it is everyone’s right to be allowed to explain their point of view - you really aren’t accusing them of anything bad at all.
The nature of hasbara has features which warrant distinguishing it from propaganda. For example it seemingly exclusively relies on astroturfing. That’s useful to know that there are organizations giving students fellowships [1] to promote these efforts. Another feature is in the objective. Unlike generic propaganda, the objective isn’t to promote domestic nationalism, counter competing ideologies, or to demotivate foreign adversaries. The objective is obfuscating the settler colonial nature of Israel and white-washing Israeli military war crimes.
To me, this warrants calling these efforts by what the Israelis call it.
2)
> follow the history of the region
> terrorize their neighbors
Counter example:
2005: Israel unilateral dismantling of the 21 Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip
2007: Hamas takeover of Gaza
2007: Gaza Blockade
I do not think we see the history of the region in the same way.
As you mention Hamas, it gives me the opportunity to point out that Israel bankrolled Hamas founder Sheikh Yassin even prior to the founding of Hamas. This was admitted by former military governor of Gaza Yitzhak Segev and other Israeli government and military officials. Israel wanted to undermine secular political Palestinians and empower Islamist political Palestinians. Once successful, they bemoan that the Islamists they funded and worked to empower, have come to power.
Incidentally, the EU funded NGOs which Israel are spying on here are mostly secular (and even the militant groups which Israel is claiming the NGOs are affiliated with are secular as well).
Yes, prior to the founding of Hamas, Israel was fighting secular terrorist groups and gave support to other (less violent) Palestinian factions in hope that those other factions could gain control and bring peace. That backfired miserably. But it wasn't some sort of nefarious conspiracy like you are alleging.
Second, molotov and rocks is protest, not a peaceful one but it still is. You have to understand these people have nothing else to lose, they’ve been beaten down with far more uneven military power.
I was listening to a podcast in which former Israeli soldiers were talking about how they were raiding palestinian houses at night and making arrests. They themselves thought it was wrong. How do you expect a generation that grows like that to behave, throw roses at the Israeli border?
The actual timeline is that in 2006, Hamas won the elections (hence the "takeover") despite Israel prohibiting them from campaigning and arresting their candidates.
Upon their election, Israel put them under sanction, prohibited them from traveling between the two parts of Palestine they had been elected to run, withheld governmental money owed to the PA, and sponsored a coup against their government (which pushed them out of the West Bank, hence Hamas' exclusive control of Gaza).
AFAIK, elections have not been permitted in the PA since then.
If you credit Israel for dismantling the settlements, I think it would make sense to also credit Israel for having built them. Selecting events can make any side seem like the good guys.
This is not meant as a pro-someone or anti-someone argument. You can use the same technique to argue for or against either side.
Molotov is not only a protest, it is a peaceful protest without weapon which is a human right.
> Hamas takeover of Gaza
You do know, that Hamas is an ally of Israel in Gaza, don't you?
Now how do you argue with someone who has the very basics of the conflict wrong.
Is it a police operation if it is conducted in occupied foreign territory or would that count as military action?
> They are, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and many more... not some and not maybe.
Is every Palestinian who voted for Hamas in the last elections permitted in Palestine in 2006 a terrorist as well?
No. But at the same time, If Hamas hides military equipment in a news building where other civilians work, then Hamas is committing a war crime.
And Israel has the right to attack this building while taking every action to minimize civilians bystanders casualties. As they did by giving 1hr notice.
Israel engages in illegal extrajudicial assassinations of civilians, and their occupation of Palestine is a war crime under the geneva convention.
No evidence has been presented that Hamas was actually hiding military equipment in this news building.
https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2021/06/israel-says-ham...
This is not true. Military occupation by itself is allowed, but puts certain restrictions on the occupying power. For example, it's forbidden to transfer own population into the occupied territory, which Israel does.
This kind of hides the fact, that a responsibility for war crimes is personal. Not everyone will be as lucky as Ariel Sharon who died before he was tried.