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There is no evidence of torture whatsoever. This is a strange lie you keep posting with your link to 972mag, a biased Palestinian defense magazine.

If you dig a little deeper at what the actual accountant's lawyer said - he said his client was seated in a chair with his hands tied behind his back during his initial arrest. Inventing a new name ("The shabah position") doesn't make it torture.

Obviously the lawyer wants to protect his client from retribution from Al-Haq, so he will make outlandish accusations of "torture". I don't blame him - I'd be afraid of Al-Haq too after testifying against them.

...but remember that both accountants provided detailed testimony in an open court room - not from a torture chamber. Your claims torture are false.

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> This is a strange lie you keep posting with your link to 972mag, a biased Palestinian defense magazine.

972mag is a magazine founded by Jewish journalists in Tel Aviv. When an Israeli magazine run by Jews condemns torture of Palestinians and is called a "Palestinian defense magazine", you have to wonder how provincial the thought process that would use that label is. Considering world opinion on the human rights of Palestinans who were tortured by Israel, which includes these journalists, and which includes their political pole within Jewish Israeli society, you have to wonder how isolated the group on the other side of all of this is.

https://www.972mag.com/shin-bet-dossier-palestinian-ngos/ Oh isn'there?

Please, stop lying.

The established facts, that the Shin Bet tortures people and israeli courts accept anything extracted under torture as testimony, do not in any way make your attempt at attacking sources of information nor your claim that this is false any more valid.

Your insistence makes me wonder what kind of incentives you have to be perceiving to go out of your way to defend a bald-faced lie like this.

Can we go back to having an earnest discussion instead of a boring, hasbara-typical farce?

>what kind of incentives you have

I am sure you are aware, but there is an ongoing, well-funded and highly organised propaganda campaign with deep military integration.

https://old.reddit.com/r/WikiLeaks/comments/nher96/inside_is...

https://old.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/comments/n4etue/found...

https://old.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/comments/o5su74/the_i...

> Your insistence makes me wonder what kind of incentives you have to be perceiving

If someone disagrees with you, surely they must be getting paid. Whose payroll are you on?

> Can we go back to having an earnest discussion

Indeed.

> but remember that both accountants provided detailed testimony in an open court room - not from a torture chamber.

That’s not actually a counter argument for torture here. Tons of torture victims will walk into court and say everything they said in the torture chamber; the threat of continued torture of them and their loved ones is quite the motivator. History is littered with examples of torture victims “confessing” in court, often to crimes that were laughably made up.

> remember that both accountants provided detailed testimony in an open court room - not from a torture chamber

Using torture to force victims to testify against themselves or others in an open court room was routine in early USSR, for example, so I don't see how this changes anything.

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