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High-end ovens, such as those above, say, $5k, almost always have knobs.

I sure appreciate tuning knobs on car audio systems but almost no one besides Toyota and Lexus offer them any more.

Old toaster oven took one action to change the temp - turn the knob. New toaster oven takes multiple actions to change the baking temperature. It's ridiculous.

Huh. When remodeling my kitchen in 2016 the highest priced ovens all had crappy touchscreens. I had to "downgrade" from Miele to Bosch to get knobs.

Yep. All the expensive electric cooktops have touch controls and were obviously designed by people who have never cooked anything in their lives, not even once. I got so fed up with mine that I had my gas cooktop re-installed, even though it was totally contrary to my personal GHG emissions goals.

I've been holding off replacing an old stove I hate for that reason. If someone wants my thousand dollars they will make a stove that is easy to control.

Yeah I have a relative who renovated their kitchen recently and got a fairly high end induction range with touch controls...it was quite expensive and has possibly the worst user experience of any appliance I've ever used.

As the touch areas get wet or oily they start to act weird, and they're right next to the cooking surfaces so they always get wet and oily if you're actually cooking anything. You have to lock the touch controls after using it because even a single drip of water can make it think you're doing some kind of invalid input and it'll start beeping loudly in the middle of dinner. Sometimes if you don't lock it it will start beeping endlessly in the middle of the night. After lots of back and forth it doesn't seem that this particular unit is defective, just the product itself is badly designed.

I love cooking on it when it works properly–the induction technology is amazing, but I will absolutely never buy one with out real knobs.

That sounds like the appliance at my new place. It's got a wall mounted microwave / oven unit with touchscreen controls at the top. such a terrible design. whenever the appliance is in use and you open at door the controls get steamed up and become useless.

at least I can turn it on over WiFi (I have no idea what the use case for that feature is).

I was thinking about DCS, Bertazzoni, American Range, Viking, Blue Star and even Hestan level stuff. Most of their ovens have knob based controls.

Even though I have a "last gen" Subaru Outback I would never replace it with a new one because they put in a huge center console screen and removed the knobs for climate control. What is odd is the Subaru Ascent actually has knobs for all of this.

I have a 2019 Toyota Hilux (called Tacoma's in the US) and it doesn't have any knobs or buttons at all.

However, the 2021 brought them back.

https://imgur.com/a/Qtfartc

A Hilux and Tacoma are two different vehicles: different engine options, different chassis, and almost zero interchangeable parts.

Try taking a Tacoma to a parts counter outside the US, or Hilux to one in the US, and you’ll just get blank stares.

Thanks for that. I've always just assumed it was just a rebrand plus cosmetic (body+interior) changes.

Originally they sold the Hilux in the US but they realized that basically nobody who was buying one in the US needed that much truck right around the same time it became obvious they were gonna need to drop some serious coin on safety and emissions hence they just developed a new vehicle that was a better fit.

As ghastly as that is, your uri is qt fartc.

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