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- throws out a bunch of talking points (e.g. fluff)
- throws out several "I heard/I read/...."
- tortured rhetoric (2+2=4)
- throws a out a bunch excessive in absolute and relative terms like fascism, murder
Let me suggest a better model. A far better model. Look at MLK. He could have turned 21 and concluded,
- I'm boned. We're boned. We know what the constitution says and we're not getting its promises. This subject has been talked into the ground for years. So screw it. I'm going to open a barber shop, or teach, thump the bible, or something else.
- I'm boned. We're boned. We know what the constitution says and we're not getting its promises. This subject has been talked into the ground for years. So screw it. So I'm going to violence since I was probably going to end up in jail anyway, at least this way I'm going it my way.
Now thank goodness he did neither. Despite the claims of no middle ground he found a message that,
- redounds to the good of individuals, of those close to us, and those across the US
- gave a positive message not the hopeless nonsense pushed around by the GOP today
- had to have excellent communication, organization skills
- had to have a backbone and will power to keep it in the middle. once you're in the middle you get incoming left and right
>The grand old party will be 90-95% sycophants for a literal would be dictator. Where is the middle ground? The centrists are moderate Democrats.
The future is today with this message, with this heart soul and mind. Waiting around for tomorrow for some face on TV? That's day dreaming.
C'mon America ... let's get in the game!
You act as if this is some new phenomenon, but it's just the latest data point in a dangerous game played by both sides.
Trump doesn't deserve this much paranoia. He's an incompetent buffoon that anyone could easily beat if the existing parties weren't so focused on playing their petty games at the expense of the people. So who's fault is it really if he wins?
It's not new. What's new is having your tribe so convinced that an election was stolen and them so unquestioning that they storm and loot the capitol while being armed.
And in 2020 there isn't zero reason to think the election was stolen. There is overwhelming evidence that the amount of likely fraudulent ballots cast exceeds the margin of victory in several states.
The false equivalences continue. The first you mention was standard course of action when laws are possibly broken and the second is just free speech by individuals.
>And in 2020 there isn't zero reason to think the election was stolen. There is overwhelming evidence that the amount of likely fraudulent ballots cast exceeds the margin of victory in several states.
The few cases I've heard were committed by conservative-leaning voters. Or are you implying it wasn't a few individuals but a conspiracy? This dead horse again. Trump's people already tried with all the money they had to find a national conspiratorial bias and were shot down for lack of evidence many times even by members of their own 'tribe'. I guess you think everyone loves Trump so it must be a conspiracy. You're probably so entrenched in your own informational hugbox, where nobody can say anything against the tribe or else feelings get hurt, that you think it's impossible for the majority of people to not like Trump. I'm sure you think the opposite but I think it's caused a lot of people on the right to be so out of touch with what the majority of Americans really think but they can't see otherwise because they're trapped in a hugbox. And to be fair, the left has this issue also in some circles.
"Far too little vote fraud to tip election to Trump, AP finds"
https://apnews.com/article/voter-fraud-election-2020-joe-bid...
Your list supporting "both sides", when in chronological order, starts with three instances in a row of Republicans attacking the legitimacy of Democrats, the third one of which (birtherism) was driven by Trump!
If you're going to spin this as both sides, you can spin it better than that.
For instance, I'm pretty sure that the hatred for the Clintons, at least in the 90s, had a lot to do with Hillary's association with Watergate. So in the minds of Republicans at the time, I believe they felt it was payback for making Nixon resign.
It's like having two colleagues, one of whom is an openly hostile, selfish asshole, and the other who is nice to your face but talks shit about you when you're not around and sometimes stabs you in the back when it's convenient for them. If you asked people who they'd rather associate with if they had to choose one, I think you'd get a pretty even split roughly along partisan lines.
I also think it's pretty clear that the two-faced one would easily get a majority if they weren't so duplicitous and didn't stab you in the back so much. Instead of insisting they do this, people are instead expending all of their energy complaining that the other guy has recently become an even bigger asshole.
Your summary didn't support this analogy. I think you need to work on it.
You mentioned that the Republicans repeatedly "stabbed" the Democrats, front, back, I dunno. Then after at least a quarter century of escalation, the Democrats (may have) retaliated.
I'm not arguing about how to describe history, you can have it your way. But the summary and the characterization just don't go together.
Ok, I see that you think they are basically equally bad in how they treat their own constituents, but since their constituents want different things, I don't know why it matters.
Imagine a simplistic political model where the country is divided into two exact halves that want to exterminate the other.
It wouldn't make sense to switch sides no matter how ineffective your side is. If the other side is equally or more likely to carry out their plans, more trustworthy, has spiffier uniforms, better speakers, or whatever, that isn't a reason to support them.
Can you tell me where to find these centrists? As far as I can tell, most online spaces not about the Right (well I don't go to Right spaces so I don't really know what they're like) are all about anti-capitalism or anarchism or socialism or communism or something, certainly not what I'd call centrism. I don't know too many moderate spaces left.
If capitalism of the day is literally destroying the planet and leading us to collective suicide, maybe being anti-capitalist is extremely moderate.
I feel nothing will be done about the issue until there is violence.