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It took a long time for me to accept that I'm not particularly attractive. After losing my hair starting at 13(All gone by 17), I used to spend hours crying. That's all I would do.

Then I found the incel community and saw how it is literally like some kind of corrosive parasite destroying the world like in a horror movie, and decided I want to be nothing like that.

Incels claim to be warlike and negative. But all their destruction is built on a fairly passive armchair mental pursuit: blackpill theory.

I never was one for a theory and philosophy guided life. The blackpill is false and outlawed, and there's tons of more important things than hooking up.

That is what I choose to print on my mental propaganda posters to myself. It doesn't matter if it's true or not. That's the beauty of propaganda.

True or false, the message is just as inspiring. This isn't a science project to understand the blackpill. It's a bombing raid to make it untrue.

That's what incels are missing. They care what is real and honest and natural, and reasonable.

They're only willing to fight if they think they can win, not just because that's their personality to keep shooting till your last breath.

If the blackpill is true and natural, better to live a lie than die at the end of a rope with a browser history full of eugenics forums.

These people are pushing the agenda that you should think of your female friends as worthless because you can't fuck them. They discuss "rotting" as their main activity. They are pro rape. They call women toilets.

I don't care what psychology and human nature is. If non-incels are all just brainwashed to reject the blackpill, I will help spread that brainwashing. Incel theory is too foul even to consider.

They cannot win. Or all of our art and music and science is all for nothing when there's nobody left to appreciate. It's literally the zombie virus for the mind.

I agree with you on your description of community inceldom but I don't agree with your "fight propaganda with propaganda". If something is true, then it should be shown as such. Adults need to be able to handle the truth even if it means acknowledging the animal that we are. Then, we make a conscious choice to restrain the animal. We respect its ability to wreak havoc but understand the need to use our consviousness to make decisions that help us live in communion with our fellow humans.

If we ignore the animal and propagandise it away, we will be left wondering why certain groups behave the way they do and dehumanize them in the process. As much as it may disgust you, incels and every other group that horrifies with its ideas is still an expression of at least a fraction of our humanity.

The problem is as far as I can tell, in some cases is pretty much unsolvable. Even professional therapists sometimes get tired of trying.

It's easier to treat the blackpill as neither false nor true, but simply off limits, the same as we treat the closely related eugenics.

A purely academic thing that we dismiss with prejudice for practical use, regardless of how well it works.

Attractiveness is obviously a real thing, and in some cases it makes a really big difference. Particularly if you aren't really interested in anything serious.

I can't change that fact. So I don't think about it. I decide that it is not important, and that it doesn't matter than I'm bald.

Repression might not actually work, or be healthy, but it works way better than wasting time on tinder, sitting and crying, complaining about it, etc.

Of course the other kind of incel has nothing to do with attractiveness and more to do with the fact that they want a woman to basically be property, and how everyone wants nothing to do with that.

I have no first-hand understanding of why guys want that, and no solution or advice aside from just generally convincing everyone to avoid the forums that encourage that mindset to begin with.

Maybe for the ones already in it, it's better if they actually spent some time considering why they want an actual slave and literally say as much.

The "blackpill" you are talking about is just empirical evidence collected in a series of experiments. Rave all you want about the incels, but they can be quite scientific when it comes to discovering the reasons for their lack of success with women. And a lot of what they found out in practice, has been later validated in studies like the OkCupid one.

Science and engineering are two separate disciplines, and I'm not a scientist.

If lying to ourselves is how we avoid being suicidal, so be it.

The only possible use I can see for the blackpill is to know that you should give up on casual sex, unless you're into BDSM or something(For some reason all my friends that do that seem to not care about looks as much).

Other that that, a lot of things aren't useful. It's a lot easier to declare sex isn't important and that someday I'll be as happy with my career as I was with the girl I lost it to, 13 years ago.

It might not be useful or believable that looks and genetics don't matter on tinder. But we can tell ourselves they don't matter for life in general, and work to make this so by whatever means we have available to us.

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