I’ve lived in the UAE too, and actually had conversations with many of these people. Many of them missed home, but it was all worth it for the relatively massive amounts of money they were earning.
I think comments like yours are often ignorant of just how rough lives these people would have back home.
Probably not, but the consequence of that shouldn't be to excuse unnecessarily dangerous or abusive working conditions. I think it is morally good to pay people just a few dollars an hour if the alternative to that is that they have nothing. The people who advocate for trade barriers to stop such things are only harming the poor people that they are pretending to care for. But these workers should at least get a safe and respectful work environment. There is too much bullying and abuse that these people face in their work environments which serves no business purpose. It's a big problem in East Asia and the Middle East especially.
That doesn't hold up, he argues that they should be treated like other citizens of the country they emigrated to (treated like a human). And not to be extra privileged based on some utopia.
Just because a North Korean escapes life work camp sentence , it doesn't give South Korea right to put them in a South Korean work camp.
Western countries will not take these kinds of immigrants at all.
Qatar will take these immigrants, offer them significantly better pay and quality of life than what they had at home.
Qatar is bad?
Perhaps the heavy restrictions Western countries place on immigration are even worse?
That's outright not true, they will not take ALL of the immigrants. Thats how you create strawman justifying un-institutionalized slavery.
Secondly, letting all immigrants come and treating them like objects/slaves is immoral.
Also it would negatively impact the local economy, cheapening production overhead for businesses that will exploit slaves driving bottom-line for everyone else.
No, it’s just impossible to get a regular EU or US work visa as an unskilled laborer from some Indian village.
There are some seasonal worker visas available which are perhaps even more “abusive” than those offered by the gulf countries, but nothing long term.
> Secondly, letting all immigrants come and treating them like objects/slaves is immoral
Oof. You say this like it’s obvious. I say it’s not obvious at all, especially when “treating them like objects/slaves” is code for “vastly improving their lives, but not by enough”.
Do you think it’s moral to leave these people to fend for themselves in the vastly worse conditions they exist in?
The world isn’t black and white. As I see it, the gulf countries are doing vastly more to improve these peoples lives than Western countries. Can you refute that? I’m genuinely interested in being proven wrong.
> Also it would negatively impact the local economy, cheapening production overhead for businesses that will exploit slaves driving bottom-line for everyone else
This is a positive effect, consumers will have access to cheaper goods.
This is moral relativism and as you clearly presenting it leads to slippery slope arguments.
Like justifying slavery and exploitation.
South was doing the same claiming that their slaves have better and they educate the savages through work and lords word.
> As I see it, the gulf countries are doing vastly more to improve these peoples lives than Western countries.
HAHAHA, ok this is a troll.
Tell that to Yemen, Saudis are helping them. They are just not realizing it.
But the South took away their freedom, it’s really incomparable with what is going on in UAE and Qatar. Those migrant workers can leave if they want, they aren’t slaves.
>HAHAHA, ok this is a troll.
>Tell that to Yemen, Saudis are helping them. They are just not realizing it.
I think you’re the one trolling here. What does Yemen have to do with this conversation? I believe that the visa and labour policies of some gulf countries are good, I do not believe that these countries aren’t run by downright evil regimes.
Saudis are exterminating Yemen since 2015, sabotage Qatar, fund isis and Al-Qaeda.
Fund Bashar al-Assad atrocities against his own people.
I am not sure if you are ignorant or blindly nationalistic to claim they are somehow working for good of the world, its pointeless to continue this
I never made such a claim. If you think I did, you must suffer from some severe mental illness.
I think these countries are totalitarian hellholes engaged in a lot of evil. However I don’t think their treatment of migrant workers is an example of that.
I only claim that gulf countries are doing more good for the South Asians they offer easy visas to than Western countries who would never grant them visas.
All low-skill immigrant workers have to watch an hour long video explaining this (and all their other rights) in order to get their visa.
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Edit: Sorry, I can’t reply to you below darkteflon. I’ve seen the worker camps, but I’ve also extensively toured India and it’s neighboring countries. UAE and Qatar only look bad when compared with the West, but in reality they’re doing more to help these people than the Western countries which would never even grant them visas.
> This is not a Rule of Law jurisdiction
Sure, I agree. I have a plenty of bad things to say about these countries, but I think that their treatment of migrant workers is a particularly weak criticism.
I’ll accept the criticism as valid the day Western countries start offering visas to similar categories of migrant workers.
I find this argument either naive or dishonest. Any average adult knows there's a big difference between how things are supposed to work in theory and how they actually go.
At this stage you cant say if they are naive or a troll.