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Yes, they did. Russia did not, tho. For the record, Putin did not wanted to allow EU membership either and meddled into Ukraine politics, eu politics and American politics constantly.

The principal thing here however is, Putin thinking he can rule other countries and nations is the core issue here.

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I agree that Putin is the issue, but he's been quite clear of his demands and that there will be repercussions if not upheld.

Since Sweden hasn't ever been part of NATO nor felt the need to, why now all of a sudden when that was part of what triggered the conflict putting an entire country into ruins.

His actions also clearly show he will invade and push boundaries whether his demands are met or not. And that he lies a lot and constantly.

Anyway, the question was whether Ukraine tried diplomacy. Answer is, yes they did and it did not worked.

Because contrary what you appear to believe, Russia's war on Ukraine was never about NATO expansion.

The context you are missing is outlined quite clearly in Timofei Sergeitsev's RIA Novosti article, What Russia should do in Ukraine.

Not to say you're wrong, but what says you're right other than this one article? There's usually more sides to something than a coin. The US just needs a terror threat to invade countries for oil, so I see that it might just be an excuse.

I still don't wanna join NATO, that's a reason for Putin to take Gotland from us.

Did you actually read the article? Have you actually listened to Putin's speeches which reveal his true intentions? Do you actually understand the ideology that motivated the invasion?

You appear to be trying to take a reasoned position after taking the Kremlin's arguments at face value, which is a pretty big mistake.

Here's the CliffsNotes version for you: https://euvsdisinfo.eu/into-the-heart-of-darkness-what-russi...

> this one article

…Are you aware that this one article was published by RIA Novosti, which means it's the Kremlin's official position?

> Not to say you're wrong, but what says you're right other than this one article?

I mean this is not even true? It is not like this one article was the only source or place where this is claimed.

> he's been quite clear of his demands and that there will be repercussions if not upheld

Ah yeah, the crazy logic of every abusive ex. “Don’t you dare looking at anyone else or else I snap your neck” Very persuasive.

Ukraine was nowhere close to be even considered for EU or NATO membership. So what exactly “triggered” the conflict? Other than the fact that Putin decided to send in troops to grab larger and larger pieces of Ukraine?

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