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Unpopular and potentially downvoted to oblivion opinion, but have to say this - this kind of reverences to Ive make me physically ill. He's still to be accounted -alongside Apple- as one of the culprits of today's trend of irrepairability (and the consequent planned obsolescence) on devices for the sake of 'minimalism' and Dieter Rams wannabe designs.

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IMO, you're giving Ive too much credit for both shaping consumer preference and forcing competitors to follow his lead. For the most part, people like thin and light and care much less about upgradability and repair.

I agree but Ive was also a megaphone.

To what ends? I don't think people care too much about diminishing returns. At that point it is a matter of which upgradability and repair tradeoffs. Was there a recent line of products that they offered featuring upgradability and repair we can compare to?

Go back to about 2010 or so and MacBooks were reasonably repairable and upgradable by a fairly casual person. Batteries used to be routinely swappable in both phones and laptops.

The good ol iphone 3G days

Can we stop this silliness. Computers do not become obsolete due to them being difficult to repair.

They become obsolete because they become obsolete. Let's not just throw whatever we can find on the "right"-to-repair heap in an effort to desperately justify it. Justify it on its own terms. Or don't.

I have a 7 year old desktop that is not obsolete since I can keep replacing stuff in it and upgrading it.

When something breaks and you cannot repair it, it becomes obsolete in the most concrete sense: it's no longer usable for it's intended purpose.

Maybe your intended message is just unclear to me but your whole comment seems like pendantry without any substance.

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